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Main Forum >> Geographical Numbers Chat >> NTS review https://www.saynoto0870.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1117035153 Message started by davis on May 25th, 2005 at 4:32pm |
Title: NTS review Post by davis on May 25th, 2005 at 4:32pm
Spoke to Geoff Brighton at Ofcom today to find out position of review of NTS services. Will publish document end of July and will then give everybody chance to respond! However does not look good-he stated from their review number of companies migrating to non-geo numbers is not significant. Also revenue received from non-geo numbers is minimal compared to costs of setting up call centres and stated that if you do not pay through through call charges you would pay through higher costs of the product. Advised are to look at waiting times on line. It would appear another whitewash job is being prepared-can we organise a concerted protest through this site. I am only a junior member but feel that if we all respond our voice may be heard.
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Title: Re: NTS review Post by dorf on May 25th, 2005 at 9:43pm
After all of the evidence of actual performance so far in "consultations" what do you expect. As others have pointed out before what is really at the root of all of this is corruption and the government now having got its nose in the trough. There is no way in which these abuses can be contested by campaigning against the visible effect (which is the NGN scam). Realistically it could only be tackled by addressing the real issues head on, and I fear no one is going to do that. There is too much revenue at stake here! It is somewhat like fighting Drug Barons.
Only the EU could force any action now and I don't think that is likely. The other main problem is Apathy. Most telephone consumers don't care about these abuses and don't want to know. Evidently they don't mind paying up. Look at the relatively small number of members on this forum. That is a good indication of the overall apathy amongst telephone consumers. We who protest are an extemely small minority. If 90% of telephone consumers protested to their MPs, telcos and MEPs the scenario might begin to look different, but until then ................ |
Title: Re: NTS review Post by bbb_uk on May 25th, 2005 at 10:03pm Quote:
I know they are looking at removing the misleading 'national rate' & 'local rate' description because its misleading but it has been misleading for at least a year and bloody OfCOM are only just looking into it and that must be because of the number of complaints they get otherwise I don't believe anything would have changed. OfCOM are never going to rule against 0870 or re-classify them as premium rate because so many government departments would lose their income from these numbers and OfCOM work for the government. |
Title: Re: NTS review Post by davis on May 26th, 2005 at 11:10am
Have just read my comments and it appears I have promoted myself from new to junior member. Unintentional and apologies.
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Title: Re: NTS review Post by mikeinnc on May 26th, 2005 at 1:52pm Quote:
This has to be the most unbelievable statement these idiots at Ofcom have ever made! As I have stated elsewhere, just look through any computer magazine. Probably 80 to 90% of the firms advertising are using 0870 number. Listen to the radio - advertisements are almost ALL to 0870 numbers. Concert tickets - 0870. Insurance - 0870 ..... it just goes on and on. In fact, as has also been said elsewhere, it will soon be the case that a geographic number for a UK business will be very much the exception. I have asked the question before. Does anyone have any idea of the extent of NGNs as a proportion of business numbers? Probably a difficult statistic to find, but I'd wager it could be well over 50%! But, of course, as others have said, these idiots at Ofcom have well and truly got their noses in the swill, and no amount of pressure is going to get them out. In addition, they are surreptitiously backed by BT who will do anything to maintain their monopoly position, whilst paying lip service to a 'free and open market'. Yeah - and pigs might fly! It's a glum and depressing scenario for the future. Whilst real call costs fall in just about every other industrial country, in the UK they continue to climb - thanks to 0870! And don't even start on the relative costs of products .... because with almost universal 1-800 (free call) business numbers here in the US, we don't pay anything like most UK prices........! ;) |
Title: Re: NTS review Post by Smasher on May 26th, 2005 at 3:11pm wrote on May 26th, 2005 at 1:52pm:
;D |
Title: Re: NTS review Post by mikeinnc on May 26th, 2005 at 10:10pm
Wonderful, Smasher!
My point entirely....... ;D |
Title: Re: NTS review Post by davis on May 27th, 2005 at 5:24pm
Reference to mikeinnc comment about the number of non geo numbers in circulation I asked Geoff Brighton if he knew the number of 0844/0845/0870/0871 that were currently being used. He stated that OFCOM did not know as they only released the numbers to intermediarys, but had no control over the numbers in use. I then asked how many they had released-he declined to say. I think the question I should have asked, is for a month by month breakdown of the new numbers released and so build up a pictue of how these numbers are proliferating. If I get any joy I will post on site.
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Title: Re: NTS review Post by bbb_uk on May 27th, 2005 at 6:02pm Quote:
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Title: Re: NTS review Post by davis on May 27th, 2005 at 10:26pm
I agree will probably have to try the FOI route. Quick calculation gives number of numbers available in each catagory as ten million (less one!) Must be nearly all used up by now!!!!
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