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Title: Ofcom NTS Focus Group notes, Apr 7, 05 Post by idb on Jun 4th, 2005 at 3:41pm
Interesting article at http://www.ofcom.org.uk/telecoms/groups/nts_focus/notes/nts7apr05
Includes: Gareth Davis said that NTS issues topped the list of topic raised with Ofcom’s contact centre. NTS issues also featured heavily in the letters sent to Ofcom by Members of Parliament. Following the completion of the consumer market research, Ofcom will be looking into the policy options available. Price misperceptions/misleading advertising ASA/CAP guidance Is that sufficient? What else could operators do? Revenue sharing on calls to essential/public services Central Office for Information best practice guidance to Govt. Contact Centres, advises against use of 087 Dept of Health has moved to stop use of 087 by GPs More general commercial use of 0845/0870 as an alternative to geographic numbers Should not be an issue where consumers have a choice But where consumers are “locked in”, there is an issue about whether NTS is an appropriate payment mechanism Aim is use research to assess potential scale of any consumer detriment Call centre waiting times Looking for evidence rather than anecdote on likely impact of revenue share Gareth Davies said that Ofcom had received a big consumer response to the NTS Policy consultation, but it wasn’t going off to ban revenue sharing. The work undertaken by Ofcom would try to look into: How much consumer harm is there today? What solutions are available and how effective would they be? How much collateral damage would any of the solutions cause? Following the consultation on the original 5 options, Ofcom's initial thoughts were that Option 3 could be discarded (seen as too difficult to implement) and option 5 might be too extreme to implement in the first instance. Option 1 wasn’t really going to take the issue forward. Option 4 was still being seriously considered along with Option 2 (although there was no real support for this option from respondents). Ofcom was therefore considering a further 4 options: UKCTA’s Proposal: Key features As in Option 2, except single retail price points for 0845 and 0870 Aims to avoid consumer price confusion and problems of number portability Requires NTS retail market review Initial comments May not be a sustainable long term solution – no objective basis for determining revenue share May be feasible as an interim measure Retail market review not an attractive approach, given legal/economic issues and timescales involved We are exploring other mechanisms as an alternative to a retail market review, however we can not set retail prices via the Numbering Plan Caroline Wallace said that timescales involved in the retail market review were very long. Mike Barford asked what other mechanism could be used to agree a price for 0845 / 0870. Caroline Wallace said that other mechanism that might be possible would be the provisions for 0844 and 0871 services. Mike Barford said that an upper and lower limit could be set (very close together). Caroline Wallace said that could be seen as price fixing. Chris Pace said that much of the problem with NTS charging related to the mobile operators who charged up to 300% mark-up on calling NTS numbers. BT’s proposal: Key features Remove NTS arrangements from 0845/0870 Allow 0845/0870 users to migrate to 0844/0871 Require OCPs to make tariff pre-announcement if 0845/0870 retail prices differ from their local/national geographic charges Initial comments Risk that consumer problems would just shift to 0844/0871, as SPs (including ISPs) on 0845/0870 who wish to retain a revenue share would have to migrate Implementation/policing pre-announcement proposal would be costly Would require a change to the NTS Call Origination Condition and possibly market reviews for the retail origination and wholesale termination markets into which the new 0845/0870 services would be supplied Colin Annette said the pre-call announcement only related to instances where operators don’t charge the standard retail price (eg. The mobile freephone announcements) and was seen by BT as an optional add-on to their proposal rather than an integral part. Ofcom’s Variant X: Key features No revenue sharing on 084 or 087 except for ‘accredited’ ISPs who could continue to use existing 084 (or 087) numbers Option 2 multiple price points for ISPs on 0845/0870 Initial comments Would involve voice Service Providers moving off 08 ranges or staying on 08 ranges with no revenue sharing Consumer concerns addressed without ISP disruption Raises a number of legal, operational and policy issues that need to be explored Ofcom’s Variant Y: Key features Ban revenue sharing on 087 after minimum reasonable period of notice 12-18 months warning of revenue sharing ban on 0845 Revenue sharing remains on 0844, so voice SPs and ISPs have 12-18 months to migrate Initial comments Addresses consumer concerns which centre primarily on 087, whilst avoiding discriminatory features and operational difficulties of Variant X Risk that consumer problems would just shift to 0844, as SPs on 0845/087 who wish to retain a revenue share would have to migrate |
Title: Re: Ofcom NTS Focus Group notes, Apr 7, 05 Post by idb on Jun 4th, 2005 at 4:19pm
NTS Focus Group - 7 April 2005 - 2pm Ofcom
Attendees: Colin Scott THUS (Chair) Gareth Davies Ofcom Caroline Wallace Ofcom Geoff Brighton Ofcom Clive Hillier Ofcom Caroline Chandan-Roels Ofcom Anne McCardle MCI Pilar Guerrero Easynet Chris Pace IV Response Tim Stephens C&W Sandra Reid Telewest Andrew Wileman Telewest Helen Morgan Energis Becky Hewlett Energis Kath Embleton BT Colin Annette BT Rob Day BT Colin Rochester BT Nancy Saunders Kingston Richard Anderson COLT Sarajane Amey NTL Fabienne Dischamps Band-X Mike Barford Tiscali |
Title: Re: Ofcom NTS Focus Group notes, Apr 7, 05 Post by NonGeographicalMan on Jun 8th, 2005 at 7:08pm wrote on Jun 4th, 2005 at 3:41pm:
Option X is the one that should be adopted. It is the fair and ethical solution. But I bet it won't be since as you can see from the list of attendees at these so called focus groups Ofcom is in fact totally in the pocket of the telecoms industry just as it and OFTEL always have been. Why are there no focus groups being held with those of us who responded to the consultation? And where are the notes on the focus groups with so called ordinary members of the general public? I was assured by Geoff Brighton that they were also planning to hold these too. |
Title: Re: Ofcom NTS Focus Group notes, Apr 7, 05 Post by davis on Jun 8th, 2005 at 9:36pm
Not technical enough to put in quote but ref non geo man's post today I responded to the Ofcom survey and asked Geoff Brighton "who forms the focus group and how could I apply to be included". He told me that Ofcom have no control or influence over who is included as the focus group is formulated by an external body and therefore I could not apply! Yeah right-and I'm supposed to believe that. It is obvious from the list of attendees that all have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo and I'm sure that it will be.
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Title: Re: Ofcom NTS Focus Group notes, Apr 7, 05 Post by idb on Jun 8th, 2005 at 10:30pm wrote on Jun 8th, 2005 at 9:36pm:
It's going to get much worse. This corrupt regime needs a legal challenge. |
Title: Re: Ofcom NTS Focus Group notes, Apr 7, 05 Post by NonGeographicalMan on Jun 9th, 2005 at 2:01am wrote on Jun 8th, 2005 at 10:30pm:
I'm going to telephone Geoff Brighton and Matt Peacock (Communications Director) to put them on the spot over this . And if I don't like their answers I shall complain to my MP since Ofcom alledly answers to Parliament. |
Title: Re: Ofcom NTS Focus Group notes, Apr 7, 05 Post by dorf on Jun 10th, 2005 at 1:12pm
Yes but as mentioned previously by a number of others the government controls parliament and the government has it's snout voraciously in the trough increasingly and they know that queuing is the main issue. Therefore your representations will not make any difference. Individual MPs and consumers (electors) are powerless against this scale of corruption. This is an increasingly deep-seated corruption invlolving vast amounts of money.
It increasingly amazes me that people who want to fight this scam still will not focus on the real issues. It is no good any longer attempting to pressurize or even taking any notice of the "regulators". They are mere puppets in the game, with no real power now to make any changes in this particular rip-off. The two key issues are: 1) Queuing - this is the focus of these abuses - revenue-generating queuing is allowed on all NGNs except 09. 2) There are complex financial interrelationships in this whole scandal and corruption and stealth taxation is now at the root of it all. To have any effect at all these are the issues which need to be addressed, and they are quite frightening in their magnitude and implications. |
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