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Message started by idb on Dec 18th, 2005 at 2:13am

Title: Media: Number's up for telephone rip-off
Post by idb on Dec 18th, 2005 at 2:13am
Source: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/cash/story/0,6903,1669682,00.html

Neasa MacErlean
Sunday December 18, 2005
The Observer

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Half of all those who are switching their telephone accounts away from BT are over 50, according to OneTel, the country's biggest rival to BT. And one in three is over 60. 'People in this age group tend to be a bit more savvy,' says Mike Holliday-Williams of OneTel.
But, if the Grey Matters postbag is anything to go by, they do not all feel savvy. We were recently told about a widow in the Home Counties who switched to a cheap monthly package to cover all her national and local calls only to discover that her 0870 calls were not included and were now being charged at a higher price than BT used to levy.

It looks, however, as if her problem will be largely or partially solved by December 2006. At the moment, 0870 and 0845 numbers are operated through BT, which then charges OneTel and the other suppliers a rate for calls. The numbers are set up by businesses - such as dial-up internet providers, internet banks and competition organisers - which can share part of the profit on the arrangement with BT. But while standard rates on normal calls are about 3p a minute from BT, these calls cost 7.5p a minute.

Providers openly accept that they do not try to offer good deals here. 'They are not a competitive part of our tariff,' says OneTel's Holliday-Williams. Chris Williams, head of home telephones at uSwitch.com, concurs: 'The competitive pressure isn't enough for them [providers] to push their prices down. They charge roughly the same for calling these numbers. It's never really been a hook for acquiring new customers.'

However, the regulator Ofcom has just concluded a consultation through which it plans to inject more competition. It believes that the use of these so-called 'number translation services' has 'generated high levels of consumer concern about the lack of clarity in the pricing and marketing of these services'. It is proposing changes - from December 2006 at the latest - including a possible drop in the charge level to about 3p a minute. 'That would be fantastic,' says Holliday-Williams. 'We would definitely look at being competitive across the whole piece. Ideally, we want to be making savings for customers on every single call - but that's not possible now.'

OneTel estimates that about 2 per cent of calls are made to 0870 numbers. Some people who have moved to other providers may be able to cut their bills to some extent by using the prefix 1280 before ringing an 0870 or 0845 number. The prefix gets them back on to the BT network and tariff - and the BT tariff is rather cheaper on these numbers than most of its rivals.

This example shows just how complicated the whole field is - and how quickly it is changing. Six months is a very long time in telephony. If you have a mild interest in the subject, you can probably cut your costs by seeing how the market develops and you can probably vastly improve the service you receive at the same time. While we are getting bad news stories on our fuel and council tax bills, most people should be able to get some good news on telephony and broadband.
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Title: Re: Media: Number's up for telephone rip-off
Post by davis on Dec 18th, 2005 at 2:41pm
Interesting article giving more exposure to the 0870 ripoff. Its a pity that the writer Neasa MacErlean does not appear to be aware of the full extent of the growth in the use of these numbers. She states that-the numbers are set up by dial up internet providers, internet banks and competition organisers which implys they are mainly online access numbers or TV/media competition numbers, and misses the point that the worst abusers are the high street banks, government departments, health boards, police, comet, currys and just about every other business that you can think of.

Title: Re: Media: Number's up for telephone rip-off
Post by Dave on Dec 18th, 2005 at 2:54pm

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At the moment, 0870 and 0845 numbers are operated through BT, which then charges OneTel and the other suppliers a rate for calls.

This is not strictly true and makes it out to be BT's fault. Whilst BT has a large market share, it is the high call prices which have enabled other players to come into the market.

Holliday-Williams of Onetel has obviously left Ms MacErlean thinking that it is BT that holds every other party (telcos and customers alike) to ransom with 0870 numbers.

Title: Re: Media: Number's up for telephone rip-off
Post by NonGeographicalMan on Dec 20th, 2005 at 1:46am

idb wrote on Dec 18th, 2005 at 2:13am:
It looks, however, as if her problem will be largely or partially solved by December 2006.

However, the regulator Ofcom has just concluded a consultation through which it plans to inject more competition. It believes that the use of these so-called 'number translation services' has 'generated high levels of consumer concern about the lack of clarity in the pricing and marketing of these services'. It is proposing changes - from December 2006 at the latest - including a possible drop in the charge level to about 3p a minute. 'That would be fantastic,' says Holliday-Williams.


Luckily for this Holliday-Williams person they won't still have a job in December 2006 when Onetel customers will then be part of TalkTalk's normal product range and will find nothing has so far changed.  And if Mr Charles Dunstone at Carphone Warehouse has anything to do with it these 0870 ripoffs will be continuing indefinitely because the mobile phone side of his business is absolutely coining it from them on the outbound mobile 0870 calls, including to Carphone Warehouse's own customer services centres.

Also where does this December 2006 come from.  This would suggest Ofcom reporting back and setting its 12 month clock to end of 0870 revenue sharing running before xmas.  But we all know that there's more chance of gold bars falling from the Sky than of Ofcom making an announcement on 0870 numbers between now and xmas and/or the new year.

This 2% figure for 0870 call volume is also ridiculously low.  084/7 NTS call volumes by value are in excess of 25% of all uk calls.

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