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Main Forum >> Geographical Numbers Chat >> Rip Off NTL/TW increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. https://www.saynoto0870.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1157911008 Message started by orsonkart on Sep 10th, 2006 at 5:56pm |
Title: Rip Off NTL/TW increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by orsonkart on Sep 10th, 2006 at 5:56pm
From Oct 2006 NTL are increasing the cost of calls to 0845/0870 numbers
The New rates are: Daytime Evening Weekend 0845 5p 4p 3p 0870 10p 8p 6p Existing rates: Daytime Evening Weekend 0845 4.50 2.25 1.25 0870 7.99 3.85 2.99 http://www.home.ntl.com/page/phonepricechange They are also introducing a new flat rate phone charge to UK landlines for calls outside of our “unlimited” tariffs. From then, for such calls you’ll pay 3p per minute no matter what time of day you call – this includes cable-to-cable calls. Connection charges of 6p a chargeable call remain unchanged. ~Edited by bbb_uk: Amended title to include TW |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by Heinz on Sep 10th, 2006 at 6:34pm
Why does anyone use cable for their phone calls? They're such a rip-off.
The new 0845/0870 charges, when compared with BT Together [from 1/10/06] and 18185 [from a BT landline] prove it: 0845 NTL - 6p connection plus: 5p/minute weekdays 4p/minute evenings 3p/minute weekends BT - 3p 'set-up fee' plus: 3p/minute weekdays 1p/minute evenings ½p/minute weekends 18185 - 4p connection plus: 3p/minute weekdays ½p/minute evenings ½p/minute weekends 0870 NTL - 6p connection plus: 10p/minute weekdays 8p/minute evenings 6p/minute weekends BT - 3p 'set-up fee' plus: 7.11p/minute weekdays 3.69p/minute evenings 1½p/minute weekends 18185 - 4p connection plus: 5p/minute weekdays 3p/minute evenings 1p/minute weekends How can they possibly justify charging twice as much as BT and one and a half times as much as 18185 for connection and 6 times more per minute than either of them for a weekend 0845 call? |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by Tanllan on Sep 10th, 2006 at 10:09pm
They do not have to justify it. Ofcom's latest advertisement simply tells us that this is all part of their improved world of telecoms where we have the choice.
Why on earth did this country go for duplicated plant? Rather than pressing BT to make better use of fibre. We might then have better broadband. |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by kk on Sep 10th, 2006 at 10:41pm
Hi Heinz, thanks for the helpful post.
Can you indicate if the charges are per second or rounded up to the next minute. If you have time, can you also post the previous or existing price structure. Can you include 01/02 |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by Dave on Sep 11th, 2006 at 7:29am
5p/min to phone NTL Customer Services. :o
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Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by orsonkart on Sep 11th, 2006 at 7:58am Dave wrote on Sep 11th, 2006 at 7:29am:
Their is a suggestion in this cable forum thread they are getting rid of 0845 cs number and bringing in free access 150 for cs and 151 for technical enquiries. http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=51203 Some people indicate it already works in their areas. |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by bbb_uk on Sep 11th, 2006 at 8:03am Dave wrote on Sep 11th, 2006 at 7:29am:
I wonder if they've increased 0871 but just 'forgotten' to mention it? * Don't forget the 6p connection fee ;) |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by orsonkart on Sep 11th, 2006 at 5:43pm
NTL have downgraded the Weekend Packageas well.
The weekend tariff includes National Weekend Calls at moment as well as local see http://www.home.ntl.com/invt/talkunlimitedlocal But according to http://www.home.ntl.com/page/phonepricechange Only Local calls will be free. National weekend calls will be 3p a minute. |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by NonGeographicalMan on Sep 13th, 2006 at 4:27pm Heinz wrote on Sep 10th, 2006 at 6:34pm:
My understanding is that BT will not be charging a setup fee or rounding by the minute for 0845 and 0870 calls. Its only 01 and 02 calls this is happening with? If the setup fee is also to be applied to 0845 and 0870 calls then someone at Ofcom needs shooting (only methaphorically speaking of course as a figure of speech in case the pedantic Ofcom Communications Director happens to be reading this) very urgently. |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by Heinz on Sep 13th, 2006 at 4:39pm wrote on Sep 13th, 2006 at 4:27pm:
I really would like to think that was the case. Unfortunately, the leaflet BT delivered with my paper bill recently includes the sections: Quote:
Quote:
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Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by Dave on Sep 13th, 2006 at 4:49pm wrote on Sep 13th, 2006 at 4:27pm:
The call setup fee will apply to all calls but whole minute charging will only apply to calls to 01/02 UK landlines, calls to UK mobiles and international calls. The terms and conditions leaflet Heinz refers to says that whole minute charging also applies to premium rate and 0845/0870 NTS calls. This will not be the case, as Ben Verwaayen, BT's chief executive has confirmed. How can such a mistake happen when these changes are all in the cause of simplifying the pricing? If the people at BT cannot understand what is what with regards billing, then how is Joe Public supposed to be aware? ::) |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by NonGeographicalMan on Sep 13th, 2006 at 4:50pm
I stand corrected.
Ofcom do need shooting for allowing a further uplift in the cost of calls to a class of numbers where normal competitive market forces to drive the cost of calls down are not at work. But then as Bobby has so recently been making clear to us it is the hijacked by telecoms industry interests Ofcom and their even worse predecessors OFTEL that are the source of the problem rather than merely having made a poor fist of controlling it. Allowing BT a totally free hand in setting line rental and NGN prices when all it then does is to drive prices upwards is quite simply outrageous. One would have expected BT's reason for introducing a connection fee instead of a minimum charge was so as to be able to quote a lower pence per minute rate for calls to compare with their competitors but no all they do is simply add the connection charge on top instead! :o ::) |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by NonGeographicalMan on Sep 13th, 2006 at 5:00pm Dave wrote on Sep 13th, 2006 at 4:49pm:
All of Ofcom's so called efforts to introduce greater competition have introduced greater complexity which makes the consumer unable to compare prices. One could therefore be forgiven with confusing Ofcom with a trade association for whom the main job is making it easier for its members to earn larger profits. ;) :o First it was 118 directory enquiries where customers can be charged for connection and/or per minute and where the dq service is allowed to offer to put you through at exorbitant rates per minute without telling you that this is what is going to happen. Then it was Line Rental where BT were allowed to make it compulsory for customers who only want to rent the line from it and make all their calls with other phone companies or via Voip to have to pay for a BT call discount scheme called Option 1 they do not use. This increased the cost of their line rental by 50%. Now Ofcom allows simple pence per minute pricing billed by the second only introduced by BT a few years back to be replace with old style prices rounded up by the minute and with the further confusion of a connection charge rather than the much easier to understand minimum charge. When you look at who has been Ofcom's CEO and the quite outrageously anti consumer steps it has taken over the last three years you have to conclude that it is actually Ofcom which is the problem and you have to question exactly why such a commercially minded person as Stephen Carter was put in charge of it. ;) >:( >:( >:( |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by Dave on Sep 13th, 2006 at 5:16pm wrote on Sep 13th, 2006 at 5:00pm:
I think it's a case of companies taking advantage of consumer ignorance of basic mathematics. How do you explain (without doing 'boring' maths) that a 3p/min call on BT or Talk Talk isn't the same as a 3p/min call with a provider that charges by the second? |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL increase cost of 0845/0870 calls. Post by NonGeographicalMan on Sep 13th, 2006 at 5:39pm Dave wrote on Sep 13th, 2006 at 5:16pm:
I think its more a case of a spineless regulator that is actually complicit in the scams rather than in creating a regulatory environment in which straightforward price competitition will flourish. It makes you wonder why the petrol industry has never thought of trying to lower headline prices at the pumps by 10p per litre but subject to a basic £5 per tank fill up fee. Could it be perhaps because the petrol industry is regulated by the zealous OFT and Competition Commission who unlike Ofcom would come down like a ton of bricks upon such behaviour and suggest that such distorted pricing was grossly unfair to the low mileage driver and customers of car hire rental companies only needing to put a few litres back in the tank before they returned the car. It is an established principle in Economics that the free market only operates properly if there are perfect supplies of information equally available to and readily understood by all consumers. All these attempts to introduce more complex and impossible to compare pricing into telephone calls are ways to ensure the customer does not undertand pricing properly and so cannot make proper or accurate choices between suppliers. The fact that the cost of a one minute call to an 0870 number with BT is going up by nearly 50% from 7.51p per minute to 10.51p per minute just leaves speechless with fury and disbelief. I believe that if the CEO of Ofcom had been someone other than Stephen Carter then it would behaved quite differently as a regulator. Hopefully his successor may actually have consumer protection at the core of his regulatory agenda. |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL/TW increase cost of 0845/0870 call Post by bbb_uk on Sep 14th, 2006 at 9:05am
Well as I predicted, Telewest are following NTL by increasing their prices the same. See Telewest's update page here.
Note that it states that calls to 0845/0870 are changing but the .pdf still has the old prices. I believe they've just not got around to updating this .pdf and when they've done this, their prices will be the same as NTL. In other words, 10p/min daytime to call an 0870 number - amongst the other price increases. I also amended the thread title to include 'TW' as well. TW/NTL must be THE MOST expensive teleco out there. |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL/TW increase cost of 0845/0870 call Post by stanmarsh14 on Sep 16th, 2006 at 1:05pm
Well this is abit intresting as to what arrived from the postie this morning... letter from NTL about new call rates.
As the link will show it appears as from next year they will be dropping the cost of their call packages but by how much it seams undecided yet, but outside the call rate packages, call rates will be carged @ 3ppm including cable to cable calls. One intresting thing though is the apparant re-introduction of the 150 (Cust services) & 151 (Faults) numbers which will be free to use. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stan_marsh14/pics/NTL1.jpg |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL/TW increase cost of 0845/0870 call Post by bbb_uk on Sep 16th, 2006 at 1:42pm stanmarsh14 wrote on Sep 16th, 2006 at 1:05pm:
This is still more expensive than BT albeit only slightly. Still no mention of how much, if any, their evening & weekend plan will be reduced. Question is why are they waiting until next year when right now their prices are so much more expensive than BT, they must have customers leaving them or at the very least moving their landline to BT. |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL/TW increase cost of 0845/0870 call Post by Dave on Sep 16th, 2006 at 6:46pm stanmarsh14 wrote on Sep 16th, 2006 at 1:05pm:
So they've had their fingers burnt with the 0845 customer service number then? ;D |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL/TW increase cost of 0845/0870 call Post by Robertinherts on Sep 22nd, 2006 at 5:10pm Dave wrote on Sep 16th, 2006 at 6:46pm:
I complained the last time I had to call them. They responded 'Everyone else does it' to which I replied 'So what. That doesn't make it acceptable!' Robert |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL/TW increase cost of 0845/0870 call Post by Heinz on Sep 22nd, 2006 at 6:35pm bbb_uk wrote on Sep 14th, 2006 at 9:05am:
Except for cellular companies, THE MOST - double the price per minute of using a BT line and 18185! |
Title: Re: Rip Off NTL/TW increase cost of 0845/0870 call Post by chrissdp on Dec 9th, 2006 at 5:02pm
yes but if your phone is not working how do you ring 150 151?
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