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Title: Sir David Varney Public Services Review (03x) Post by bbb_uk on Mar 20th, 2007 at 7:11pm
Back in December 06, the Chancellor asked Sir David Varney to advise him on the opportunities for transforming the delivery of public services.
I have to admit I've not read most of it however, Sir David Varney in the review (available here) recommended the use of 0300x numbers by public services as it admits the owning departments make money from 0845/0870 numbers. The paragraph of interest is 7.27 as follows:- Quote:
I actually noticed that Ofcom mentions this in their latest 03x consultation. In any letters I do to government authorities, I'm going to mention this in a hope to convince them to migrate over to 03x when it finally becomes available. Updated link as old link was no longer valid. |
Title: Re: Sir David Varney Public Services Review (03x) Post by Tanllan on Mar 20th, 2007 at 7:45pm
What a shame that Ofcom refuses to follow up the Oftel proposals of using 055 for "corporate numbering", which would have covered all these requirements, with 055 being treated like 01 and 02 numbers. As 056 should be, but is not. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. :'(
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Title: Re: Sir David Varney Public Services Review (03x) Post by Dave on Mar 20th, 2007 at 7:54pm Tanllan wrote on Mar 20th, 2007 at 7:45pm:
Whilst we shouldn't rejoice just yet, the recent consultation on telephone numbering did mention that Ofcom will be looking at introducing rules on how CPs charge for numbers other than 03. :-/ |
Title: Re: Sir David Varney Public Services Review (03x) Post by NGMsGhost on Mar 22nd, 2007 at 11:34am Dave wrote on Mar 20th, 2007 at 7:54pm:
I get the impression that Ed Richards is far less inclined to just legalise every single scamas Stephen Carter seemed to spend his entire time at Ofcom doing. However it is going to take quite a while for a major cultural shift at Ofcom to take place. I did hear Colette Bowe, Chairman of the Ofcom Consumer Panel, interviewed on Radio 4 the other day, although I forget now whether it was about the Virgin Media/Sky dispute or about 09 tv prize ripoff lines. But whatever it was she actually wished to make it clear that shock horror the Ofcom Consumer Panel disagreed with what Ofcom was doing and felt it was inadequate and not enough to protect consumers. :o So perhaps Colette is finally getting the message that representing the interests of consumers as Chairman of the Ofcom Consumers Panel doesn't just mean going to cocktail parties with Ofcom board members and drawing her substantial allowance but actually also means going on record in the national media to say that Ofcom isn't doing enough to protect the interests of consumers. |
Title: DVLA preparing to move to 0300 numbers! Post by Heinz on Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:00am
Just received:
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I found the below extract from the Varney Report particularly heartening: Quote:
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Title: Re: DVLA preparing to move to 0300 numbers! Post by kk on Jun 7th, 2007 at 12:21pm
Good news? The tectonic plates of the government are moving in the right direction. Will the banks do the same?
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Title: Re: DVLA preparing to move to 0300 numbers! Post by NGMsGhost on Jun 7th, 2007 at 1:06pm kk wrote on Jun 7th, 2007 at 12:21pm:
But why does everyone who uses an 0845 number who wants to do the right thing now have to get a new number and new leaflets, while all the 0844 and 0845 scammers can just carry on as they are, and the determined 0870 scammers will simply move to 0871 numbers which the stupid punters they rely on will think are also now National Rate too. After all wasn't the main selling point of these numbers to government agencies, charities, the Police and councils in the first place that they wouldn't have to keep on changing the numbers they used? ;) ::) And what will be happening at the BBC and what new scam will its greedy telecoms partners at Capital and Cable & Wireless be recommending that it tries to get away with? :o >:( Still as 03 being a normal geographic rate was my idea at that November 1995 meeting with Sean Williams and co I suppose I can claim I have at least had some impact on the whole process. But the bad bit is that premium rate numbers are still to be allowed on 0871 (ICSTIS controlled but not as we know it Jim) and on 0844 and 0845 (not controlled at all) so the public still won't know what is a Premium Rate number and what is not. |
Title: Re: DVLA preparing to move to 0300 numbers! Post by Heinz on Oct 5th, 2007 at 4:28pm Heinz wrote on Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:00am:
There having been no news of the DVLA's introduction of the promised 0300 numbers, I emailed again earlier this week: Quote:
Although a reply followed within a few days, the wheels (pardon the pun) obviously move very slowly at the DVLA! Quote:
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Title: Re: Sir David Varney Public Services Review (03x) Post by jgxenite on Oct 5th, 2007 at 5:01pm
In my opinion, that is extremely good news. Now, if only Ofcom can get of its backside and get network providers to handle 03 calls properly, we would be cooking with gas...
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Title: Re: Sir David Varney Public Services Review (03x) Post by bbb_uk on Oct 5th, 2007 at 5:26pm
The link to Sir David Varney's recommendation has changed and I have updated my opening post accordingly.
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Title: Re: Sir David Varney Public Services Review (03x) Post by NGMsGhost on Oct 5th, 2007 at 6:27pm
One should of course realise that since the DVLA uses mainly 0870 numbers that if they do nothing at all the cost of calling the DVLA will automatically become the same as an 01/02 number on 1st Feb 2008. Ditto for the BBC.
It is only organisations like the Police, HMRC and Surrey County Council that we have to force to change their numbers to 03 because of the total failure of Ofcom to serve the interests of the UK citizen consumer by also returning all 0845 numbers to geographic call rate on 1st Feb 2008. To my mind DVLA's final decision on its strategy is clearly going to have to be in place by 1st Feb 2008 (as continued 087 use may be more expensive than switching to 03) but of course due to useless Ofcom there is no final deadline for action by all the numerous publis sector 0845 abusers including none other than the Parliamentary Ombudsman. :o >:( [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] |
Title: 0300 numbers - DVLA Post by Heinz on Oct 7th, 2007 at 7:18pm
Another email from the DVLA timed/dated 15:09 on 5/10/07:
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Title: Re: Sir David Varney Public Services Review (03x) Post by Dave on Oct 7th, 2007 at 9:35pm
It is really good to hear that the DVLA will be switching to 03. 8-)
I suppose that it had to do something with the end to revenue sharing on 0870. Hopefully those public bodies using 0845 will also make plans to move. We do know that there is a public body interested in a large number of 03 numbers, but we don't know which. |
Title: Re: Sir David Varney Public Services Review (03x) Post by Dave on Aug 21st, 2008 at 1:51pm Dave wrote on Oct 7th, 2007 at 9:35pm:
It appears that the DVLA continues on with its nose firmly in the 0870 trough. To recap, one of the outcomes of the Varney review was the recommendation that 03xx numbers should be adopted: Quote:
Members may be interested in reading this article which looks at the Cabinet Office's Contact Council, the body charged with implementing the recommendations of the Varney review: Quote:
Will this single phone number for the DWP be a 03xx one? Will Recommendation 29 go by the wayside? It seems to me that, at present, the Contact Council is the only chance we have of the large public sector services doing the right thing and switching to 03xx. |
Title: Re: Sir David Varney Public Services Review (03x) Post by NGMsGhost on Aug 21st, 2008 at 5:04pm Quote:
It seems they have merely been learning from the private sector how to lie about the real cost of 084/7 calls by numerous devious means and also focused on making the whole experience of calling so distressing, expensive and unfulfilling that people simply won't bother calling at all. ;) ::) :'( The so called single number for each department and even for the whole of government services merely means then having to wade through a 20 layer deep IVR menu. What is required is for numerous different 03 numbers that get straight through with no delay but that are constantly kept bang up to date on their websites and elsewhere. Also what is the relationship between The Contact Council and the Contact Centre Association on which several large government departments are also represented? :-? :-/ |
Title: Re: Sir David Varney Public Services Review (03x) Post by SilentCallsVictim on Aug 21st, 2008 at 9:52pm NGMsGhost wrote on Aug 21st, 2008 at 5:04pm:
Exactly. The vital difference between consumer-driven and equitably delivered taxpayer-funded services is being lost. NGMsGhost wrote on Aug 21st, 2008 at 5:04pm:
A readily accessible and easily understood list of primary numbers with advanced features (requiring use of non-geographic 03 numbers) may offer advantages to all. For simple contact with numerous specific teams there is little justification for the use of non-geographic numbers and the consequent cost of advanced features. NGMsGhost wrote on Aug 21st, 2008 at 5:04pm:
As I understand it, the Contact Council is an organ of the Cabinet Office charged with delivering improvements to the delivery of public services by all public bodies (not just central government). It is made up of members appointed to represent all areas of the public sector. The CCA is an open membership trade association serving the interests of all call centre operators, in all sectors. Whilst one may draw from the other, and they may be seen to work together on common issues, there should be no case for any type of fundamental relationship as the two have quite different purposes. The Contact Council serves users of public services, the CCA serves call centre operators. Whilst the two interests are not necessarily opposed, they are not necessarily the same. The potential for conflict, e.g. over how services are funded, means that they must be kept separate. The CCA would rightly seek for net operating costs to be kept to a minimum, by any legitimate means that is compatible with relevant service standards. The Contact Council has a duty to ensure that this is not done at the expense of service users, except where it is proper to levy fees for public services. |
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