Hi All,
Is there an equivalent site for Australian numbers (13xxxx / 1300 xxx xxx and 18xxxx / 1800 xxx xxx etc.)
I've been a regular (and grateful) user of www.saynoto0870.com for a long time now - great site for UK numbers!

I've now moved to Oz and wondered if anyone knows of an equivalent site or if there had been any ideas to add similar numbers on t othe UK site?

I have started my own database of Oz numbers so far, ready to add on to any useful site if directed.
All info much appreciated,
Downunder

Downunder wrote on Jan 11^th, 2008 at 4:17am:

Hi All, Is there an equivalent site for Australian numbers (13xxxx / 1300 xxx xxx and 18xxxx / 1800 xxx xxx etc.) I've been a regular (and grateful) user of www.saynoto0870.com for a long time now - great site for UK numbers! I've now moved to Oz and wondered if anyone knows of an equivalent site or if there had been any ideas to add similar numbers on t othe UK site? I have started my own database of Oz numbers so far, ready to add on to any useful site if directed. All info much appreciated, Downunder

See previous posts by forum member evilbunny

www.saynoto0870.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1160189079/0#0


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We have a similar (but not the same) issue in Australia, where companies get 13/1300 numbers which cost end users the cost of a "local" call, now normally that is 30c (untimed) if you use the PSTN directly, however with the wide spread adoption of VoIP a lot of people are getting "local" calls at 10c (untimed) or less, yet due to regulatory frame work 13/1300 numbers are usually charged at 23-30c (untimed) which is a lot more then 10c, or if your call is short, even less on a per minute rate. There are other issues related to VoIP and non-geographical numbers, but cost is heavily influencing things as well. I will point out that businesses that own 13/1300 numbers are still charged per call (and per minute in some cases) so it's not like they can't gain here by publishing their geographical numbers as well (unlike the 08 issue). So myself and others have started building up a database of non-geographical and the geographical counter parts and storing the results in www.e164.org. e164.org is normally used to connect VoIP calls directly over the internet (this occurs via DNS lookups and pulling VoIP URIs from DNS), avoiding the whole PSTN thing altogeather, however in this case due to apathy in the business community (to save themselves money) we are trying to provide an alternative. We are also working on scripts for Asterisk (free software PBX www.asterisk.org) to use the information from e164.org to re-route calls if possible. Is our current work something that would also be of benefit to people in the UK with respect to 08 numbers?

and

www.saynoto0870.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1160189079/2#2

Check out their website www.e164.org.  However all the alternative calling methods to these companies are by direct voip call routing.

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Is there an equivalent site for Australian numbers (13xxxx / 1300 xxx xxx and 18xxxx / 1800 xxx xxx etc.) I've been a regular (and grateful) user of www.saynoto0870.com for a long time now - great site for UK numbers!

You should find that most Australian organisations are quite happy to provide you with their underlying geographic number. Unlike the UK system, they generally pay for you making the call and actually provide the 1300 number as a service. When first introduced, they were great - national calls were expensive, and a 1300 number enabled you to call interstate for a fixed price (and still does - 25c). However, the 'rip-off' cell phone companies have seen fit to charge 1300 calls at the same rate as timed ordinary calls when made from a mobile phone. Again, better than the UK, but still an expensive option if you are kept holding on. In addition, the introduction of VoIP and fixed price calling plans on landlines has made 1300 numbers increasingly expensive. Like 0870, they are NOT included in the plan, and so cost extra over and above the calling plan cost. I think the Australian telcos look longingly at their British counterparts, as they seem to be trying to emulate their obscene practices! Luckily, the Australian regulator has considerably more ba*ls than its UK counterpart.

I have often used the same process as in the UK - 'I can't call a 1300 number from overseas, so please tell me what your normal number is'. A couple of organisations have told me they don't know (and they probably don't) but most are only to ready to comply. After all, they save money - so why wouldn't they? You win; they win and only the telco loses - and hey, who is crying for them?  ;D

After all, Telstra is said to be the most profitable telco in the world........

Thanks to everyone for the replies