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Message started by bbb_uk on Mar 3rd, 2009 at 3:26pm

Title: BT's rolling 12/18 month contracts
Post by bbb_uk on Mar 3rd, 2009 at 3:26pm
TalkTalk are now having a go at BT for their unfair rolling contracts.

Quote from The Register:-

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TalkTalk has sparked a row with BT by accusing it of "sharp practice" over its contract renewals policy, which aims to tie customers in for an extra year or even 18 months.

It's about a year since BT adopted a rolling contract policy. If subscribers coming to the end of their initial term do not notify BT they want to leave, they'll automatically be signed up for another term. If they subsequently want to leave, customers face a financial penalty of "up to £180", TalkTalk claimed.

Andrew Heaney, TalkTalk's strategy and regulation director, said: "We believe that rolling contracts are a sharp practice at any time, but particularly so in the current credit crunch and with given the riches available in the market. We would like to see these unfair rolling contracts stamped out and have already called upon Ofcom to take a firm line in this area."

BT said customers choose to extend their contracts because they are offered good deals. "We meet Ofcom's requirements," spokesman Leslie King said. "I don't know how they came to a figure of £180. It's totally inaccurate."

BT also sent this statement:

Customers have a clear choice on whether they want to opt in to a renewable contract in exchange for the considerable benefit of free evening calls. They are very clearly reminded in writing with around 30 days notice when their contract is coming up for renewal that they will be entering into a new 12-month period unless say that they do not wish to do so.

Many other services, such as magazine subscriptions, insurance, car breakdown services are contracted in similar ways.


But Heaney continued his attack: "BT cynically places the onus on its customers to cancel their contracts – simply because it knows that many of them will simply forget."

Ofcom said BT and other communications providers have until April 1 this year to comply with its guidance on contract terms or face a review under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contract Regulations. A spokeswoman said: "Ofcom does have some concerns over the automatic renewal of contracts if it means that consumers are subject to unintentionally long and recurring contracts. Ofcom will open an enforcement programme and will take action where necessary."

BT reiterated that it believes it is complying with Ofcom's rules and that its customers are exchanging a longer contract for a better deal.


Funny that I complained to Ofcom over this and BT's 1 year minimum term for customers who choose to reconnect back to BT having moved their line rental to another provider and then want to connect back to BT.

I'm sure it comes as no surprise that when I mentioned all this, I was fobbed off saying that BT appear to be acting within Ofcom regulations (inc their new ones).

Now suddenly a stakeholder such as TalkTalk have complained to Ofcom and now Ofcom will open an enforcement programme and look into it!

Honestly I dont see the point of complaining to Ofcom anymore because they dont appear to care!


Title: Re: BT's rolling 12/18 month contracts
Post by bbb_uk on Sep 13th, 2011 at 7:22pm
Ofcom today announced that from end of this year, new rolling contracts will not be allowed.

Whilst it's not perfect in that it only applies to new contracts, its still a step in the right direction.

It's a shame that when I first complained about this that I was told there's nothing that can be done.

Anyhow, at least its one small step (of many) in the right direction of the ordinary consumer for a change.

Title: Re: BT's rolling 12/18 month contracts
Post by Dave on Sep 13th, 2011 at 7:58pm

bbb_uk wrote on Sep 13th, 2011 at 7:22pm:
Ofcom today announced that from end of this year, new rolling contracts will not be allowed.

Whilst it's not perfect in that it only applies to new contracts, its still a step in the right direction.

I expect that any new rules such as this that come in have to give the telcos a period of transition. Their business plans obviously include these rollover contracts, so they will need to adjust.



bbb_uk wrote on Sep 13th, 2011 at 7:22pm:
It's a shame that when I first complained about this that I was told there's nothing that can be done.

Anyhow, at least its one small step (of many) in the right direction of the ordinary consumer for a change.

Clearly changes cannot be made on a whim but must be considered, including what any adverse effects might be.

Title: Re: BT's rolling 12/18 month contracts
Post by bbb_uk on Sep 13th, 2011 at 8:38pm

Dave wrote on Sep 13th, 2011 at 7:58pm:
Clearly changes cannot be made on a whim but must be considered, including what any adverse effects might be.
Well it took Ofcom over 2 years for them to come to this conclusion and actually enforce it so it's definately not been decided on a whim.

As for the effects this may cause then in reality there shouldn't be any because long 12/18 month contracts are still allowed, it's just the 'rolling' from old contract to a new one and only getting a letter to remind you isn't allowed.  A letter that may have gotten lost or anything.

BT can still offer their customers deals for signing upto contracts.

IMHO, rolling contracts are only devised in the hope that consumers forget (assuming they do actually get informed).

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