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Main Forum >> Geographical Numbers Chat >> local call rate https://www.saynoto0870.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1329779041 Message started by Nita on Feb 20th, 2012 at 11:04pm |
Title: local call rate Post by Nita on Feb 20th, 2012 at 11:04pm
Is it illegal or just dishonest to call an 0844 number a local call rate?
Incidentally I forgot my password and had a horrendous time with your verification codes. What are these. supposed to test and why are they almost illegible? |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by derrick on Feb 21st, 2012 at 1:19pm Nita wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 11:04pm:
It is a criminal offence under the Consumer Protection Act 1987, (misleading price indications), http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1987/43/section/20 Who is the company and do you have a link to their site? Report them in the first instance to the ASA. |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by Nita on Feb 24th, 2012 at 5:17pm
I decided to contact the company and give them a chance to put things right however I did enquire about the legality of the claim from tha ASA and have received this somewhat wishy washy reply
Thank you for your enquiry to the Advertising Standards Authority. Calls to 0843, 0844 and 0871 numbers are charged at a higher rate than standard calls on BT’s most popular call plan (BT Unlimited Weekend) and we advise advertisers to make the cost of calling those numbers clear in ads. Calls to 0843, 0844 and 0871 numbers are charged at different rates depending on the numbers that follow the first four digits so without knowing the cost of the call and the context of the ad, I can’t advise on whether the description is misleading. If you’re concerned about whether an ad that you’ve seen is misleading, please feel free to log a complaint on our website and we’ll look into it for you. If you’re thinking about advertising an 0844 number and want to know how to describe it in an ad, please visit the www.copyadvice.org.uk website where you can find searchable guidance and tips on this specific topic. If you’re still not sure, you can log a request with one of the team to review your advertising. They totally miss the point that there is no such thing as a local call rate. |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by catj on Feb 24th, 2012 at 5:58pm Quote:
The ASA still haven't woken up to the fact that 0872 numbers are now also in use. |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by Heinz on Feb 24th, 2012 at 8:18pm catj wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 5:58pm:
And 0873. |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by derrick on Feb 25th, 2012 at 10:12am Nita wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 5:17pm:
You need to make an official complaint on the ASA website,(http://www.asa.org.uk/Complaints/How-to-complain.aspx), they will then investigate it and inform the company to change it. Have a look at this thread, ( http://www.saynoto0870.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1321709981), in particular post #13 where I post the ASA response. . |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by SilentCallsVictim on Feb 25th, 2012 at 1:58pm Nita wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 5:17pm:
Because of the penalty charges applied to weekday daytime calls to geographic numbers, the statement made is not actually correct. In fact, the statement is made irrelevant because "Unlimited Weekend" is no longer BT's most popular call plan. I quote from a BT press release of 27 August 2011. Quote:
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Title: Re: local call rate Post by Nita on Feb 29th, 2012 at 10:12am
what is an 0872 number?
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Title: Re: local call rate Post by sherbert on Feb 29th, 2012 at 10:22am |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by Dave on Feb 29th, 2012 at 10:32am Nita wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 10:12am:
0872 and 0873 are additional prefixes that are equivalent to 0871. Likewise 0843 is an extension of 0844. 0844 and 0843 are not extensions of 0845. Similarly, 0871, 0872 and 0873 are not extensions of 0870. |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by catj on Mar 1st, 2012 at 7:14pm
I was originally going to suggest reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-geographic_telephone_numbers_in_the_United_Kingdom but it doesn't appear to be 100% complete or up to date. |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by kasg on Mar 1st, 2012 at 8:14pm catj wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 7:14pm:
Please feel free to make it so! :) |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by NGMsGhost on Mar 5th, 2012 at 9:08am
How far do you think I will get with the ASA complaining about the fact that TomTom's main customer service IVR system plays a message to all customers telling them that their 0845 number is a "local rate" one.?
Won't the ASA just say "oh well as 0845 is the cheapest daytime call rate for out of bundle calls its not unreasonable for them to make such a claim. :o >:( >:( >:( I suppose I ought to at least try filing the complaint to find out. |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by Dave on Mar 5th, 2012 at 10:56am NGMsGhost wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 9:08am:
I didn't think that ASA regulated messages played out on telephone helplines. :-? |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by catj on Mar 5th, 2012 at 2:36pm NGMsGhost wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 9:08am:
The ASA will take action on a whole range of issues, not just radio, TV and print advertising. They also cover the web, and have even taken action over details printed on A-boards, etc. |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by ihate0845 on Apr 12th, 2012 at 12:54pm
why is it regulators only compare about the cost on BT?
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Title: Re: local call rate Post by Dave on Apr 12th, 2012 at 1:59pm ihate0845 wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 12:54pm:
Because of the way in which calls to 08 and 09 numbers are regulated. The change in regulation will hopefully make it possible to provide pricing information applicable to all providers as well as making it clear which bit of the call charge is for the benefit of the party being called, and which bit any one individual's provider takes. |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by NGMsGhost on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 12:40pm
Today I came across the www.rufusroo.com website giving the following description of their 0844 number of 0844 824 6697 on their web page:-
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In looking for an appropriate web page on the ASA website to tell them what the ASA is saying they should be saying about the cost of calling such numbers I came across their Committe of Advertising Practice's web page on 0843, 0844 and 0871 numbers at http://www.cap.org.uk/Advice-Training-on-the-rules/Advice-Online-Database/Chargeable-0844-and-0871-numbers.aspx This states that:- Quote:
They then go on to say that :- Quote:
Following my pointing out in a message to RufusRoo that by making the statement that are potentially committing a Criminal Offence under the Consumer Protection Act 1987 re Misleading Price Indications they have now removed the misleading statement regarding the cost of these calls being "local rate" but they have yet to replace it with a statement about the actual per minute calling cost. I do find it more than a little disappointing indeed that a company that is selling wearable travel luggage to avoid ripoff low cost airline hold baggage fees should be trying to ripoff its own customers if they want to telephone it to ask questions about its products...... There is also further guidance on giving pricing information to customers about the cost of calling Chargeable 08 numbers in the CAP guide at http://www.cap.org.uk/Advice-Training-on-the-rules/Advice-Online-Database/Chargeable-08-numbers-General.aspx This states:- Quote:
So I think that fully covers off the issue of what the ASA currently has to say about requirements for giving information consumers about 084 and 087 prefixed phone numbers. |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by Dave on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 3:23pm NGMsGhost wrote on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 12:40pm:
CAP is clearly outdated here. It is over year since BT announced that its most popular plan is the Unlimited Anytime Calling Plan. The normal incidental charge of a geographic or 03 calls is therefore zero. The statement that calls to 0843, 0844 and 0871 numbers cost more than geographic calls on BT's most popular plan not only still stands, but is much greater, it being infinite. |
Title: Re: local call rate Post by SilentCallsVictim on Nov 24th, 2012 at 1:17am
Thank goodness that the new Ofcom regulations, which the ASA will have a major role in enforcing, do not rely on offering specific call cost information from a selected provider. 75% of non-business calls are not made through BT at all!
The vagaries of the individual "Access Charges" charged by telcos will have to be declared (unbundled) by the telcos themselves. The service provider (company called) will only have to declare the "Service Charge" element from which it (invariably) benefits. No declaration is necessary at present, but in future it will have to be given in the following form: Quote:
The other relevant factor is that when the new BIS measures, implementing the Consumer Rights Directive, come into effect, this company will be prohibited from using a 084 number for enquires from customers. It would be helpful to point this out to the company, which may wish to thereby reconsider its position. It is quite likely that it has been misled by its telephone service provider (C&W) and may be genuinely unaware of the fact that it is ripping off its customers, and at the same time lining the pockets of their telephone companies. That potential excuse expires once it is made aware of the truth, and has to take full responsibility for its actions. |
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