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Message started by 0870 user on Apr 15th, 2015 at 9:05am

Title: 0870 access numbers are not working anymore?
Post by 0870 user on Apr 15th, 2015 at 9:05am
Hello
I used 0870 international access numbers (which is included in my land-phone package) so it saved money. However as of yesterday none of them seems to be operational.

Does anyone know any working 0870 access numbers please.

Or it is the case that ofcom removed permanently from the register and they are never going to re-appear again?
The one I used was 0870 963 00 11 / 05 05

Thanks
KS

Title: Re: 0870 access numbers are not working anymore?
Post by Ian01 on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:23pm

The allocated number ranges can be checked here:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/numbering/

Title: Re: 0870 access numbers are not working anymore?
Post by 0870 user on Apr 18th, 2015 at 11:04am
Though I hated 0870 numbers dialing from a mobile perspective and this site has helped a lot to circumvent by using 01/02/03/.

Since the last 2-3 years I must say 0870 access numbers were a blessing and it did save me £100s if not £1000s!! - a lot of money using my virginline which had 0870 included in the package.

For e.g a 40 min daily call to India would otherwise cost £20 (with talk international or the using cheapest calling provider card/app  etc
) - saves at least around £20 per month!. Beauty of it was smartcall app that made it work when abroad - so the savings compounded!

I really hope it comes back and hope someone publishes a new working 0870 access number soon  :)...

From a business perspective - I think there is still revenue to me made from it seeing the connection charges (roughly 11p, though I don't understand the business of access numbers.

Title: Re: 0870 access numbers are not working anymore?
Post by Ian01 on Apr 18th, 2015 at 11:14am

Whatever happens, the call prices for 084 and 087 numbers will change on 1 July 2015.

The new call charge system will bring much clarity to the price of these calls.

Title: Re: 0870 access numbers are not working anymore?
Post by 0870 user on Apr 18th, 2015 at 11:54am
0870 437 0200 appears to be working but it is advertised as only available during Mon-Fri 8am - 6pm

Title: Re: 0870 access numbers are not working anymore?
Post by Ian01 on Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:43pm

During those times, the termination rate is just above 0.5p per minute which means there's just enough revenue to fund the onwards call forwarding to a limited number of international destinations.

Outside of those times, the termination rate is around 0.2p per minute or less leaving no funds available for international call forwarding.

From 1 July 2015, the Service Charge replaces the termination charge and is not allowed to vary by time of day or day of week.

The Service Charge for numbers starting 0870 437 is provisionally going to be 13p per minute on top of whatever Access Charge you'll pay your landline or mobile provider. Presumably this service will change to a different number before that date.

Title: Re: 0870 access numbers are not working anymore?
Post by 0870 user on Apr 20th, 2015 at 9:13am

0870 user wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 11:54am:
0870 437 0200 appears to be working but it is advertised as only available during Mon-Fri 8am - 6pm


The above number, though functional - does not appear to be connecting any calls

Title: Re: 0870 access numbers are not working anymore?
Post by 0870 user on Apr 25th, 2015 at 9:04am
No luck yet finding an alternate 0870 number providing international dialing .
I suspect may be I was the only user of these access numbers hence they had to go out of business  8-)

Title: Re: 0870 access numbers are not working anymore?
Post by Ian01 on Apr 25th, 2015 at 9:28am

Given that until 1 July 2015 the termination rates for 0870 calls are similar to those for 03 numbers, it might be worth checking the matching 0370 number to see if it works.

Unlike 0870 numbers which are Inclusive only from a few landlines, calls to 03 numbers are inclusive from landlines and from mobiles.

Title: Re: 0870 access numbers are not working anymore?
Post by Dave on Apr 25th, 2015 at 9:47am

0870 user wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 9:04am:
No luck yet finding an alternate 0870 number providing international dialing .

Why the stipulation of 0870 dial through number? A 03 number is charged at geographic rate from landlines and mobiles.

Title: Re: 0870 access numbers are not working anymore?
Post by SilentCallsVictim on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:41am

Dave wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 9:47am:

0870 user wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 9:04am:
No luck yet finding an alternate 0870 number providing international dialing .

Why the stipulation of 0870 dial through number? A 03 number is charged at geographic rate from landlines and mobiles.

If someone is generous enough to be able to provide an international dial-through service without receiving any financial benefit from the call then one has to wonder what is going on. The marginal additional termination rate on 03 numbers skews the market and potentially serves to undermine the whole principle of 03 numbers. Ofcom has sought to outlaw use of this to provide consumer benefit, essentially to prevent access to 03 numbers being blocked.

0870 or any other range of Service Numbers (i.e. 084/087/09) is for the specific purpose of providing services through telephone numbers, with a declared charge. If that charge is less than that which would otherwise be paid for the same service (e.g. dialling an international number directly) then that is fine.

The fair telecoms campaign holds the view that all "dial-through" services (regardless of the level of the rate) should fall within the scope of "Premium Rate Services" and therefore be regulated by Phonepay Plus.

Title: Re: 0870 access numbers are not working anymore?
Post by 0870 user on May 6th, 2015 at 5:25pm

Quote:
Why the stipulation of 0870 dial through number? A 03 number is charged at geographic rate from landlines and mobiles.


I finally managed to find a 03 access number - Access Number: 0330 033 0300

They work only Monday-Fri 8am to 6pm, and if you are on Three network - they are not included in your inclusive minutes.


List of countries covered are here:
ARGENTINA
AUSTRIA
BRAZIL
CANADA
CHILE
CHINA
CROATIA
CYPRUS
DENMARK
FRANCE
GERMANY
GREECE
GUADELOUPE
HUNGARY
ICELAND
INDIA
IRELAND
ISRAEL
ITALY
KAZAKHSTAN
SOUTH KOREA
MALAYSIA
MALTA
MEXICO
NETHERLANDS
NEW ZEALAND
NORWAY
PERU
POLAND
PORTUGAL
PUERTO RICO
PUERTO RICO MOBILE
ROMANIA
SINGAPORE
SLOVAKIA
SPAIN
SWEDEN
UNITED STATES
VATICAN


Title: Re: 0870 access numbers are not working anymore?
Post by bigjohn on May 6th, 2015 at 6:28pm

0870 user wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 5:25pm:

Quote:
Why the stipulation of 0870 dial through number? A 03 number is charged at geographic rate from landlines and mobiles.


I finally managed to find a 03 access number - Access Number: 0330 033 0300

They work only Monday-Fri 8am to 6pm, and if you are on Three network - they are not included in your inclusive minutes.


That number was posted here ages ago  by me see:
http://www.saynoto0870.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1414036166/0#0

Their are a few services that offer intl calls via 03 numbers during peak time hours. Some are mentioned in this section of the forum.

What evidence do you have that 3 are blocking calls to the number ? ,have you tried it ?

Normally calls to 03 numbers should be included either in your inclusive minutes,or by you paying the appropriate rate for the call.

See: http://ask.ofcom.org.uk/help/telephone/03number

Note many numbers used for call forwarding purposes to obtain cheap intl calls  can be ,and are not included in networks  inclusive minutes.

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