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0870 Caller Display
Dec 15th, 2004 at 3:47pm
 
To prevent the number underlying the 0870 from being displayed, most companies withhold their number. I am no longer plagued with sales calls as I pay £10 a quarter to BT for their Anonymous Caller Rejection (ACR) service. Friends who withhold their number can get through this blocking by dialling a four digit number so their number (which I know anyway) is revealed. Unfortunately, it would appear, for a £60 set up fee and £7 a quarter maintenance, BT now offer the facility for companies to present an 0870 number rather than the "true" number, so it looks as if I could now be pestered again. I wonder if BT will extend their ACR to include blocking 0870!?
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Reply #1 - Dec 15th, 2004 at 4:40pm
 
Unikely, because ACR is exactly that - Anonymous Call Rejection.

At least by using caller display you can refuse to answer the call...

Allied to this are those companies selecting an exchange does not offer the 141 with-holding and so their carrier allows "Unavailable", which bypasses the ACR. Grrrr.

Another for 0fcom, particularly with the high ACR charge.

There is now no reason to with-hold one's number. OK fewer reasons, except when calling 0870 numbers?
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Reply #2 - Dec 16th, 2004 at 12:12am
 
I started using ACR a few months ago, when I had ISDN, because I was getting plagued by sales calls with no return number.
It was much better until I got ADSL installed (mid August), but I never realised I had the same problem again until the beginning of December. When they changed me from ISDN over to ADSL they switched OFF the ACR  Undecided
They put it back on again last week and that is now OK.

Then I noticed my 1571 wasn't working (via OneTel). If you have ACR or other blocking it doesn't ! Nice to know, so I switched back to BT 1571 - No big deal.  Lips Sealed

When I got BT to switch my ACR back on, I mentioned the TPS, which I signed up for ages ago, and the guy at BT said about another service which blocks the calls sent from outside UK as well, which seem to get through ACR.

Does anyone know what this service is and where to get it ??

I'm thinking of setting up an old PC as a telephone exchange to monitor the incoming calls and if any with
witheld
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unavailable
or
08xx
come in, they get a message saying "GO AWAY" (or similar!).   Grin

Any thoughts on how to go about it, or anything else we can do ??
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Reply #3 - Dec 16th, 2004 at 8:38am
 
hmmm, it might be BT's Choose to Refuse, but I do not know whether this allows you to block numbers when you do not see the originating number - as is often the case with incoming international calls.

The BT website is not terribly informative about this aspect, but a little delving gives 0800 169 2707 for further information.

No time to try them now. Cry
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Reply #4 - Dec 16th, 2004 at 11:59am
 
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I'm thinking of setting up an old PC as a telephone exchange to monitor the incoming calls and if any with
witheld
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unavailable
or
08xx
come in, they get a message saying "GO AWAY" (or similar!).   Grin

Any thoughts on how to go about it, or anything else we can do ??


This is an excellent idea. Then you only need pay BT for caller ID and nothing else!

I'd use a Linux-based system as then you can make it do whatever you want, but it could be a steep learning curve if you don't already have some familiarity with it...

A quick Google found this:

http://frank.harvard.edu/~coldwell/answering_machine/

(I'm assuming caller ID works much the same way in the US...)

I quite like the idea of trying this project myself, but I really don't have time for it at the moment.

As for your recorded message for people who phone up with a withheld/0870 number, how about, "This number is not in use, please call 0871 xxx xxxx" where the number is one you have set up especially for this purpose!
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Reply #5 - Dec 16th, 2004 at 1:44pm
 
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how about, "This number is not in use, please call 0871 xxx xxxx" where the number is one you have set up especially for this purpose!


I rather like "You are not authorised to access this number, please redial using 0871 ... " but I fear that that might be said to be a little wicked Cheesy
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Reply #6 - Dec 16th, 2004 at 2:20pm
 
Of course, once they do call back on 0871, it will play them a recorded message telling them their call is very important to us, and we'll answer as soon as possible.
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Reply #7 - Dec 16th, 2004 at 2:43pm
 
No, stop it or I will not get any work done today.

But perhaps they should only get to that stage after several sets of choices   Smiley
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Reply #8 - Dec 30th, 2004 at 4:23am
 
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Unfortunately, it would appear, for a £60 set up fee and £7 a quarter maintenance, BT now offer the facility for companies to present an 0870 number rather than the "true" number, so it looks as if I could now be pestered again.


I believe there are strict rules with thus, notibly that the 0870 number presented, or other NGN,  must  route to the same hunt group or department that the call originated from.  Something along those lines anyway.

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Reply #9 - Dec 30th, 2004 at 4:57am
 
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(I'm assuming caller ID works much the same way in the US...)


Unfortunatetly this is not the case.  The main difference which I'm aware of is that the US system transmits the number between the rings and the UK (and possibly European) standard sends this at the beginining, before your phones start ringning.  I'm sure there are other more significant factors too.

That's not to say a software PBX still isn't feasable with the right parts.  I've heard Asterisk being mentioned a lot in the FWD http://freeworlddialup.com/ Voice-over-IP communities as a good Linux based PBX.

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Reply #10 - Jan 16th, 2005 at 7:02pm
 
Telewest still only charge £1/month for ACR.
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Reply #11 - Jan 28th, 2005 at 7:31pm
 
...'only'?  NTL don't charge for ACR at ALL!
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Reply #12 - Mar 17th, 2005 at 5:02am
 
Bt's Chargeable "Choose to Refuse" Service does work with withheld numbers. The exchange knows the number even when it is withheld.

Only disadvantage is that you have to answer a call to these people before you can dial your pin number to block it  Angry 

Also I cannot remember if there is a limit to the amount of numbers you can block, I believe there is.
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Reply #13 - Mar 17th, 2005 at 11:40pm
 
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Bt's Chargeable "Choose to Refuse" Service does work with withheld numbers. The exchange knows the number even when it is withheld.

Surely if it is the Las Vegas Jackpot Casino calling they might still find a way to offer no number at all due to being based in the USA?  Also they might just change their CLI from day to day?
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Reply #14 - Mar 20th, 2005 at 10:50pm
 
Unfortunately, using 18866 sometimes converts your CLID to "witheld". Happened to me last week when I phone home. Wife almost told me to p*ss off!

So if you use some automated blocker, a legitimate call would not get through.
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