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Mar 14th, 2005 at 8:00pm
 
Tonight I received another of those annoying silent calls. The difference this time was the caller ID being 0866 4776450 instead of "withheld".

I could not find 0866 on the Ofcom number plan. Does anybody know what classification this falls under and the charge rate might be?
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Reply #1 - Mar 14th, 2005 at 8:35pm
 
It could be, you are getting a telesales computer phoning your number? (as i was) I was told their computer auto dials numbers in blocks and if there is no telesales staff  there then you just get silence or you get hung up on

You can stop this by getting you telephone number removed for free via telephone pref service  http://www.mpsonline.org.uk/tps/  good luck
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Reply #2 - Mar 14th, 2005 at 8:44pm
 
I have been registered for some months now. It has stopped most telesales, but some cowboys seem to ignore it. The worst being Space Kitchens.

I really wanted to know what the 0866 number was.
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Reply #3 - Mar 15th, 2005 at 11:51am
 
I am not sure what the answer to your question is but here is a clue:

Indian Railways have many 0866 numbers, such as for example:

R. Ramanathan, Divisional Railway Manager  0866-572690

It may be far fetched but in view of many call centres being transferred to India perhaps somehow the Indian geographic number 'leaked through'.
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Reply #4 - Mar 15th, 2005 at 2:11pm
 
Interesting. I thought that foreign numbers normally came through with the country code (?)
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Reply #5 - Mar 15th, 2005 at 3:09pm
 
Nope, not all BT exchanges can handle the full international CLI and so one might see (almost) anything. Since the field can be filled with pretty much anything all manner of numbers might be displayed.
The real problem is people hiding behind UNAVAILABLE, rather than WITHHELD now that many people use the overpriced Anonymous Call Rejection (ACR) service. Angry
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Reply #6 - Mar 15th, 2005 at 10:40pm
 
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The real problem is people hiding behind UNAVAILABLE, rather than WITHHELD now that many people use the overpriced Anonymous Call Rejection (ACR) service. Angry



I personally can't believe that anyone subscribes to the Anonymous Call Rejection Service unless they are David Beckham or Tony Blair.

Think of all those large companies on 0870 who need to call you back who have Number Withheld.  I just don't see how people can use this service unless they are suffering a genuine stalker/pest who makes unwanted calls at 3am in the morning?

My number is listed with directory enquiries but I am also registered with the TPS and the only sales call I have had all year from a company based in the uk is from my former University trying to sell me a 4 year donation plan at £180 a year.  This started off on the pretext of a market research call and then switched to the agressive hard sell donation front.  I have made a complaint to the TPS and am probably also going to make a complaint to the Information Commissioner.

I do of course get calls once a fortnight or so from Las Vegas telling me I have won a Jackpot and to call a certain number.  The last one invited me to call an 0800 number rather than the usual 0906 so I have no idea how they make money on that.  Of course all these prizeline calls are International and then Number Withheld or Unavailable.  The problem will stop when ICSTIS introduces a one month payment delay between the making of an 0906 call and the transfer of the money to the companies concerned.
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Reply #7 - Mar 15th, 2005 at 11:58pm
 
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I personally can't believe that anyone subscribes to the Anonymous Call Rejection Service unless they are David Beckham or Tony Blair..

My mother is neither, but I still baulk at the cost - if not the benefit to her.
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Reply #8 - Mar 16th, 2005 at 12:09am
 
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My mother is neither, but I still baulk at the cost - if not the benefit to her.

I just find it hard to credit that some people have this closed a circle of likely callers.  And if they do then surely the odd unexpected call is hardly going to bother them that much?  So long as they have also registered with the TPS as a much cheaper and more cost effective alternative to using Anonymous Call Rejection.  Also using an answerphone to screen calls would surely be more effective than ACR?

Also surely all the Las Vegas Jackpot calls are Unavailable instead of Withheld so what good does this anonymous call rejection service actually do her?  Obviously it is going to make BT richer though so perhaps she is a loyal BT shareholder then?

Is your mother a full time recluse then or just old and confused so probably gets very upset when someone she doesn't know calls?  Or perhaps you are worried that some pushy salesman will try and sell her something to her although again the TPS should deal with that better than ACR will.
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Reply #9 - Mar 16th, 2005 at 12:55am
 
Has anyone actually tried to call this 0866 572690 ??? . . . does it actually ring ?

According to Magenta Systems code lookup utility, it doesn't seem to exist, at least not any more (see below).

I suspect that it is supplied to get around the Reject call if number witheld feature by putting anything in there. I've had quite a few from 0870's that don't exist, so why not go the whole hog and just put rubbish in there.

0866 used to be one of the pager numbers for Motorola if my memory serves correct. They were all dumped recently so I've now got 2 useless (working) pagers if anyone wants them !   Undecided
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Reply #10 - Mar 16th, 2005 at 2:35am
 
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I suspect that it is supplied to get around the Reject call if number witheld feature by putting anything in there. I've had quite a few from 0870's that don't exist, so why not go the whole hog and just put rubbish in there.

The block of central London flats that my mother lives in provides a phone service to residents via a business PBX system and that provides a false CLI number of 020 7698 2000 that does not exist so as to overcome the automated rejection thing for withheld number calls.

At present it doesn't seem to actually be illegal to provide a fictitious CLI, although I assume there might be problems if you picked a CLI number that actually belonged to another real subscriber?
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Reply #11 - Mar 16th, 2005 at 11:38am
 
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Is your mother a full time recluse then or just old and confused so probably gets very upset when someone she doesn't know calls?  Or perhaps you are worried that some pushy salesman will try and sell her something to her although again the TPS should deal with that better than ACR will.

No to the first part. We registered with the TPS, but took against receiving calls that might be better dealt with by BT's Malicious Calls Bureau. A friendly and efficient body, but this was the quick solution.
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Reply #12 - Mar 16th, 2005 at 11:49am
 
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No to the first part. We registered with the TPS, but took against receiving calls that might be better dealt with by BT's Malicious Calls Bureau. A friendly and efficient body, but this was the quick solution.

OK if you are receiving genuinely malicious calls with people hanging up or making threats then this would be the one good reason to employ the facility for automatically rejecting calls from number withheld.  But there do seem a lot of downsides to activating such a facility in terms of preventing genuine callers from also being able to reach you.

By the way do BT let you have this facility in their package of up to 4 network services for £10.50 a quarter or is it like Call Minder by having its own special higher charge and not being available in a network services package deal?
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Reply #13 - Mar 16th, 2005 at 12:27pm
 
Nope, excluded from select services, hence my original complaint about cost.

And, of course, genuine callers can release their number.
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Reply #14 - Mar 16th, 2005 at 12:30pm
 
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And, of course, genuine callers can release their number.

They can't release their number if they are calling you back from any sort of large corporate office with a PBX or from most large customer service centres.

But perhaps you and your mum never receive any calls from those kinds of places.
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