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Questions about FOI - council asking for more info
Jun 11th, 2005 at 11:16am
 
Hi all

I sent in a FOI request to my local council who uses 0800's for council tennant repairs but uses 0870's to let us pay our council tax!

Anyways I sent in the standard cut n paste jobbie off the site and ive had a letter back asking for more information.
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Thank you for your FOI request. blah blah blah.
before I can answer your request fully I need to clarify some of the questions you have asked, mainly the points in 1.4, 2.4 and 3.4 below.

   Have you considered the revised COI guidelines?

Please could you reply to myself as soon as possible, so I can complete your FOI request with further clarification of what you meen by "COI guidelines".

blah blah.
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So what are COI guidelines? cheers
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Reply #1 - Jun 11th, 2005 at 11:31am
 
Oh and would the Rail Passengers Commitee covered under the FOI?
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Reply #2 - Jun 11th, 2005 at 9:47pm
 
http://www.coi.gov.uk/aboutcoi.php?page=58

It provides guidance on use of 08x numbers for call centres and is funded (I'm assuming) by government.

They have a download guide available here in .pdf (acrobat reader) format (don't forget to view the revised guide just below it).
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Reply #3 - Jun 12th, 2005 at 4:35pm
 
Hi MC661
They are probably covered, as they have a public function.  Just make your request anyway, if they are not covered they would tell you.  You can also ask the Information Commissioner.
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Reply #4 - Jun 13th, 2005 at 12:05am
 
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I sent in a FOI request to my local council who uses 0800's for council tennant repairs but uses 0870's to let us pay our council tax!



Isn't that discrimination? I would write to your local councillor as well.
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Reply #5 - Jun 13th, 2005 at 10:39am
 
thing is my local councillor is .. err well its me!
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Reply #6 - Jun 14th, 2005 at 12:26am
 
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Well that makes for an interesting situation. I would think you would be able to walk into the office and get all this information without writing to them.
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Reply #7 - Jun 15th, 2005 at 12:11am
 
No.
Belive it or not its easier and quicker to do an FOI rather then beat around the bushes getting any officers to answer anything.
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Reply #8 - Jun 15th, 2005 at 1:22am
 
That seems to me to be somewhat frightening. It further confirms my increasing suspicions that bureaucrats both at local and national level are increasingly out of the control of our elected representatives! In other words the tail is wagging the dog? Things are now really being controlled by unelected bureaucrats, locally, nationally and in the EU (Council of Ministers and Eurocrats).

That is not what Democracy is supposed to be about?
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Ofcom are completely ineffectual
 
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Reply #9 - Jun 15th, 2005 at 1:25pm
 
Regional Assemblies!

The vote in the North was a resounding "No" so what have  got in my area?

The (unelected and unaccountable) Eastern Regional Assembly.

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After years of ignoring govt. guidelines & RIPPING OFF Council Tax payers using 0845 numbers, Essex County Council changed to 0345 numbers on 2 November 2015
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Reply #10 - Jul 1st, 2005 at 12:35pm
 
Freedom of Information Request

Further to my letter of 13th June, I am now in a postion to provide the information requested.

1. The Borough Council uses 0870 in order to provide a call centre environment.
1.1 We recieve no income from the use of these numbers
1.1.1 We recieve the telephone and call centre equipment and queuing systems free of charge.
I cannot release the equivalent geographical number as we do not have it.

2.  We Use 4 different which are free for the public. 3 of these are 0800 prefixs, one is a 0500 prefix.
We pay 4.98p per miniute on the 0800 and 13p per miniute on the  0500.
The 0800 attracts a service charge of £39.97 each.
The 0500 attracts a service charged of £300 a year.

If you wish to request an internal review blah blah blah...

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Reply #11 - Jul 1st, 2005 at 12:51pm
 
Not an internal review - unless they really want to improve their overpriced telephone systems and services...
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Reply #12 - Jul 30th, 2005 at 2:18am
 
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Why don't you put down a motion to the next meeting of full council resolving that your council will not use these 0870 or 0845 numbers in the future.  I know a councillor on Mole Valley District Council who did just that and got it passed.

Or you could get the policy called in for review at your next Scrutiny Committee surely?
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Reply #13 - Jul 30th, 2005 at 2:22am
 
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Well that makes for an interesting situation. I would think you would be able to walk into the office and get all this information without writing to them.

You haven't been a councillor then.  This isn't the real world.  Just conjure up the image of Sir Humphrey Appleby and Jim Hacker in Yes Minister.  That's exactly how the relationship is except that local councillors aren't full time and don't even have offices in the building in most cases.

The only people who might be able to demand the info from the senior employed staff are the Leader of the Council or other members of the Cabinet in any authority with a cabinet model.  The rest of the backbench councillors have very few powers indeed.  Controlling the planning and the pub licensing hours is what they are left with on the average district and borough council.
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Reply #14 - Jul 31st, 2005 at 3:39am
 
So so true NGM.

We got that ever so wonderful cabinet system *sarcasim*. We still have a broom cupboard up on the top floor which has 1 terminal in it, and a laptop dock bay and a slow printer.
We all get free Dell laptops and free broadband/telephone line (For Council Related purposes only!)

I am a lowly backbencher on the side which hasnt got power,  We dont even have a controlling vote on ANYTHING! Other then scrunity which even then they still have the casting vote!
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