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Reply #270 - Jul 14th, 2005 at 5:34pm
 
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Why didn't you complain about the generality of their unfair prices for 0845, 0870 and 0800 numbers on most pay as you go mobiles and some contracts?
I thought if I moaned too much they would simply ignore my request and not bother even donating their huge profit to charity.  This way was all nice and I specifically cc'd the newspapers so as to push the networks into agreeing to donate.

I will put this question to Brian and await a reply and the others if and when I get a reply from them.
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Reply #271 - Jul 14th, 2005 at 7:29pm
 
I know that I shall get my head bashed for this but here goes:

You are a RAF officer who has been shot down over occupied France in the second world war. The germans capture you and you become a prisoner of war.

Bemoaning your fate, you are much cheered up one day when a parcel arrives from the Mayor of London "To show our gratitude".

Shortly followed by the British Red Cross with a bill (which you cannnot afford) for its delivery....

The quarter of a page that the advert took in the DT was partnered by - guess who - Dell Computers!

I have finished ranting now, you may continue with your discussion.

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Reply #272 - Jul 14th, 2005 at 7:46pm
 
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The quarter of a page that the advert took in the DT was partnered by - guess who - Dell Computers!
Don't get me started on Dell.  Some of the worst PCs and PC customer support out there somehow amazingly presented as some of the industry's best!

You can't even see one of their b***** machines before you buy one.  But then perhaps that's because they know no one would ever buy a Dell if that happened.
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Reply #273 - Jul 14th, 2005 at 10:41pm
 
I emailed my MP the other day and have received his posted reply today (don't they use email to reply?), saying that he has written to Charles Clarke at the Home Office. So I will wait to see what he has got to say.
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Reply #274 - Jul 14th, 2005 at 11:24pm
 
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I emailed my MP the other day and have received his posted reply today (don't they use email to reply


It depends entirely on the MP.  They are all effectively self employed in terms of how they do stuff like this.

Some are old fogeys with ancient secretary's using typewriters.  Others are young and modern and would definitely use email to reply.

Presumably Charles Clarke will pass the letter to Hazel Blears and you will then get the usual nonsensical response about having to use 0870 to have more than 40 phone lines available.
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Reply #275 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 1:57am
 
Nice headline from the Socialist Party:

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/2005/401/index.html?id=np4.htm (scroll to bottom of page)

Capitalists cash in on greed

WHILE EMERGENCY service workers and others such as building workers across the capital put themselves out to help the wounded by donating blood and aiding and comforting people, many in the capitalist class just went in for blatant profiteering.

Phone giant Cable and Wireless cashed in on the grief of families and friends by charging up to 50p a minute on the missing persons' hotline. Over 200,000 calls were made on that 0870 line in the first few days. Cable and Wireless has a £3.2 billion annual turnover and profits of £377 million in the year up to March. Its chief executive drew a salary of £1.9 million.

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Reply #276 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 2:12am
 
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Nice headline from the Socialist Party:


Should these people otherwise be known as the New Communists?  Or are they what used to be called the Socialist Worker Party?

I couldn't help but notice that Marx and Engeles were amongst the main icons shown on their website.

Even so its nice to see that 0870 is now upsetting these kind of people rather than simply being ignored.
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Reply #277 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 8:06am
 
I was on holiday in St Lucia  at the time of the bombings and the BBC World News on the TV did actually give out  a regular phone number as well as the 0870 number.   Cant remember what it was though, but it was on the screen several times along with the 0870 number.

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Reply #278 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 9:39am
 
I've just got a reply from Richard Poston from o2 concerning possible donation of profit made:-
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Thank you for your email to Peter Erskine which has been passed to me.

We at O2 obviously recognise the enormity of the events of last Thursday in London and much effort was put into ensuring that all our employees were accounted for and that they were kept updated during the day as the tragedy unfolded in order that they could ascertain whether friends/family were safe, at the same time providing them with information on alternative means of transport and accommodation should they have been unable to return home that evening.

In addition to immediately accounting for our employees the following actions were undertaken:

>>  Working extremely closely with the Emergency Services, we ensured that the O2 network was upheld and to this end we doubled the capacity of the network in the relevant areas.  We also responded to the request to restrict access, in certain areas, to high priority emergency service personnel only.

>>  O2 Airwave rapidly deployed services into the underground to enable the British Transport Police and Metropolitan Police to communicate in the tube tunnels.  (For your information see The Guardian 14 July 2005)

Immediately following the events of Thursday 7 July, on behalf of The O2, a £100k donation was made on Friday morning to the London Bombings Relief Fund set up by the Evening Standard and Ken Livingstone. (For your information see the Evening Standard 13 July 2005).

At the request of the police, in the early hours of Saturday morning O2 donated and delivered 50 phones and unlimited free call time (and international access) to the Bereavement Centre set up by the London Resilience Team and Westminster Council.

We also enhanced the coverage and capacity of the network to meet the increased demand in the area near the bereavement centre to ensure good mobile coverage, all at a cost to the Company of some £20,000.

A specific customer care support line was also set up to assist.

As you can see from the brief overview above, we take our responsibility towards our employees, customers and those communities we serve extremely seriously

Calls to the 0870 helpline number, which was set up by the police, were charged at a customer’s normal voice call charge (charges will, of course, vary according to what plan and bundle each individual is on).  Our customers are not charged on a premium rate basis by O2 therefore the consequences of us donating the profits made from people ringing the London Bombing Helpline would be insignificant in comparison to the donations already made by O2 and the facilities put in place mentioned above.

We are very mindful of our obligations to the communities which we serve, not least when a disaster of this magnitude occurs.

I believe that we responded appropriately with speed and genuine conviction and that we have done far more than what would have been achieved by donating the small revenue generated from the helpline calls in the way you suggest.

I do hope that this explains the viewpoint of O2 and if I can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to come back to me.

Regards

Richard Poston
Director, Corporate Affairs
As you can see they did more than what T-Mobile appear to have done.  I did notice that he mentioned that calls to the helpline were charged at normal rates as opposed to premium rates and I have sent a reply pointing out the rates as advertised on their website for calls to 0870 (35ppm) and whether their customers were charged this rate or for just this helpline number, charged normal geographical rates.
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Reply #279 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 9:50am
 
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I was on holiday in St Lucia  at the time of the bombings and the BBC World News on the TV did actually give out  a regular phone number as well as the 0870 number


The 020 number became available late on the Friday night uk time but only after our many protests.

It was initially shown as only being a number to call for those living overseas and not as a direct altenative to the 0870 number.  Many uk sources still only published the 0870 number.
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Reply #280 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 9:57am
 
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I've just got a reply from Richard Poston from o2 concerning possible donation of profit made.  As you can see they did more than what T-Mobile appear to have done.


The Airwave contract for the emergency services is very valuable to them in commercial terms.

Therefore it suits their book commercially to deply more resources in the event of such an outrage.  Some  of the extra resources that O2 deployed would have been in line with the terms of the Airwave contract and not out of the goodness of their own heart.

They still haven't dealt properly with charging people £21 an hour to call the helpline, thus making it unaffordable to call the casualty line for anyone of restricted financial means or who was running low on credit.  There is no commercial basis for this level of call pricing to 0845 and 0870 numbers.  It is pure highway robbery.
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Reply #281 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 10:20am
 
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...They still haven't dealt properly with charging people £21 an hour to call the helpline, thus making it unaffordable to call the casualty line for anyone of restricted financial means or who was running low on credit.  There is no commercial basis for this level of call pricing to 0845 and 0870 numbers.  It is pure highway robbery.
I agree and that is why I asked for clarification on this as he pointed out that the helpline was charged at normal voice calls but their pricing of 0870 says otherwise.
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Reply #282 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 11:52am
 
normal for O2   Angry
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Reply #283 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 2:15pm
 
As far as profiteering from mobile companies is concerned, O2 should be given credit for what it has so far done.

They have donated far more than T-Mobile.  As a former T-Mobile customer, I know they treat their customers like dirt, and forget to acknowledge calls to cancel contracts, thus keeping customers longer.

O2 on the other hand include 0870 numbers in their inclusive minutes.  Whilst I agree PAYG customers and those who used all their minutes are paying more than geographic numbers, it is very rare that you can get 0870 calls included in such a package nowadays.

This effectively means you can use your inclusive minutes to call abroad, and to call companies where you just can't find a geographic number.

Let's see what Vodafone, Orange, Three, and Virgin have to say on the matter.
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Reply #284 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 2:47pm
 
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As far as profiteering from mobile companies is concerned, O2 should be given credit for what it has so far done....
I agree with this.  I was surprised at them providing 50 phones with unlimited credit (inc international access) and the £100k donation.  As NGM says their contract with the police over o2 airways probably includes emergency bandwidth and priority, etc.

I have also just received a reply from Orange and they also state they have donated £100k as well.  I'm not going to quote their reply as it would be too long for this forum and didn't contain anything different or new (just that they were shocked and ensured that their staff were safe, etc).  They did mention that "though rates may vary depending on tariff, the standard rate to this helpline is 8ppm".  I've just emailed their general customer services for confirmation that they do indeed charge around 8ppm (I'm not sure at all with orange).

I've yet to receive a reply from Vodafone though the email I sent to Arun Sarin has been received.
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