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Re: Free Directory Enquiries.
Reply #15 - Oct 15th, 2005 at 12:38pm
 
simple answer no it dont.

Only a few people can have access to the "full unedited" register under the Representation of the Peoples Act

Credit Reference Agencies (theres 3 I think, callcredit,  Experian and Equifax).
Registered Policital Parties (for electoral purposes).

Anyone can have access to the edited version, which is then sold over and over, etc.

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Re: Free Directory Enquiries.
Reply #16 - Oct 15th, 2005 at 12:56pm
 
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simple answer no it dont.

Only a few people can have access to the "full unedited" register under the Representation of the Peoples Act

Credit Reference Agencies (theres 3 I think, callcredit,  Experian and Equifax).
Registered Policital Parties (for electoral purposes).

Anyone can have access to the edited version, which is then sold over and over, etc.



But why do you omit yourself from the edited register?

Registering with www.tpsonline.org.uk and www.mpsonline.org.uk should avoid unwanted phone calls and junk mail so what's the point of being omitted from the ordinary electoral register?

Do you have any ex wives that you are hiding from or perhaps you gave evidence at some contentious trial or other?  But then they could track you down through your professional job related website entry.  Doh I give up. Roll Eyes
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Re: Free Directory Enquiries.
Reply #17 - Oct 20th, 2005 at 2:09pm
 
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The only reason to not be on the publicly available electoral register is if you are a criminal evading justice, a father attempting to evade the Child Support Agency, or possibly someone who has given evidence at a trial whi is now part of our equivalent of the witness protection program.

As someone in one of these categories I wouldn't want my name on Any of these registers.
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Re: Free Directory Enquiries.
Reply #18 - Oct 20th, 2005 at 2:21pm
 
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Since you will have access to the full register isn't it a bit hypocritical for you to be left out of the publicly available register?

The whole Electoral Register thing is being systematically abused, by the advancing & intrusive State,  and now they've realised they can make a fast buck out of selling it too, to let everyone else snoop for commercial gain.

The 'Opting Out' option is but a fig leaf,  a sop to those of us who object most strongly to their  details there being used for anything other than ensuring their right to vote.

The only reason you need to be on it to eg. get a loan, is because it's there, and has been allowed to become abused in this way.
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Re: Free Directory Enquiries.
Reply #19 - Oct 20th, 2005 at 3:19pm
 
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As someone in one of these categories I wouldn't want my name on Any of these registers.


Some people are just paranoid about hiding their existence from the world for some reason.  But for the life of me I can't see why.

It seems to be an inherent feature of the introverted nature of a large section of the uk population.

I'm sure you believe that you are some how saving yourself from sales calls but the fact is you are not.  The www.tpsonline.org.uk www.mpsonline.org.uk and www.fpsonline.org.uk achieve these ends without making it impossible for your old school friends or more distant relatives to make contact with you.
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Re: Free Directory Enquiries.
Reply #20 - Oct 20th, 2005 at 4:17pm
 

The best thing about

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is that you don't have to register .   The Electoral register you are legally compelled to.

Just you wait. They are huge databases that exist. It's just a matter of time until they start being abused too.

BTW.  Is there or why isn't there an equivalent 'Dont-Send-me-Any' database for E-mail ?
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Re: Free Directory Enquiries.
Reply #21 - Oct 20th, 2005 at 4:40pm
 
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BTW.  Is there or why isn't there an equivalent 'Dont-Send-me-Any' database for E-mail ?


See

http://www.dmaconsumers.org/emps.html

and

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/01/11/work_hard_for_your_spam/

But as you can see from The Register article the system is not perfect.  The TPS service and MPS service do work 99% of the time though.  I get only a handful of unwanted sales calls and may be 3 or 4 bits of unsolicited post in the year with these services

You can also register not to receive the Royal Mail's junk Door to Door unaddressed leaflets for Esure, Sky, pizza companies etc delivered to every letterbox by sending in this form to the Royal Mail at the address quoted:-

|--------------+-------------------------------------------------------
To: Door to Door Opt Outs
Royal Mail                                                           |
Room 130 Wheatstone House                                            |
Wheatstone Road
SWINDON                                                              |
SN3 5JW                                                              |

From:|                                                                      |
|--------------+-------------------------------------------------------Address:|
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|    Reference:| Request to stop Door to Door mail being delivered to my address      |
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I  confirm that I have read and fully understood your letter advising me of the  implications  of  “Opting-Out”  of  receiving deliveries of Royal Mail unaddressed ‘Door to Door’ items to my address.

I  understand that I may miss important information from local, national or government publications that are sent using this service.

From  time  to  time, Royal Mail would like to contact you with information about  our  products and services that may be of interest to you. If you do not want to be contacted, please tick here.

Name:

Signature:                                         Date:  /  /200
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Re: Free Directory Enquiries.
Reply #22 - Oct 20th, 2005 at 5:02pm
 
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...  I get only a handful of unwanted sales calls and may be 3 or 4 bits of unsolicited post in the year with these services


That's about all I get and I haven't registered anywhere (but the Electoral roll).

As for the unaddressed stuff 'though, I sometimes feel like just putting a litter bin behind the letter box.   I didn't know you could opt out.     Thanks for the form. Now do I dare raise my head above the letterbox to register for it Undecided    I guess my name isn't relevant then so I could just register as The Occupier.    Still I got a planning notice last week addressed to him that was rather important,   and don't they address the Electoral Registration forms to The Occupier also...   Now there's a thing ...  Roll Eyes
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Reply #23 - Oct 20th, 2005 at 5:47pm
 
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Still I got a planning notice last week addressed to him that was rather important,   and don't they address the Electoral Registration forms to The Occupier also...   Now there's a thing ...  Roll Eyes


The Door to Door opt out only stops junk unaddressed mail actually delivered by the postman as a leaflet or sometimes in a blank no address envelope (eg Esure) saying for the urgent attention of the owner but unaddressed to your actual address and with no stamp.  This is what the Royal Mail Door to Door Registration opt out stops.  If you won't give your name to the Royal Mail you really are paranoid as they already have it!  Registering just gets your name sent to the local delivery office to tell them you don't want the junk mail.  The Royal Mail just make it as hard as possible to register (no website and no Freepost for the postal address) because they make such a fortune out of this service.

Planning notices and electoral registraton will be properlt addressed to The Occupier and with the full address so the Door to Door opt out won't stop you getting these.  It potentially does stop election addresses from political parties who just ask for them to be delivered on a bulk basis to all doors but don't put them in an envelope address to the individual households.  It would only stop general election and euro election election address leaflets that were unaddressed though because there is no free post for council elections and the candidates have to deliver them by hand through every door themselves (or using their helpers if they are lucky).

The Royal Mail thing doesn't stop anyone else putting junk mail in your letter box apart from the Royal Mail but it does stop the Royal Mail who generally deliver junk leaflet mail on an almost daily basis and account for 90% of it (especially on a Monday morning).

The removal of this junk mail from your post is run by your Postman who has been told you don't want it so merely doesn't insert it in your letterbox with the real mail.  For that reason the Royal Mail doesn't guarantee that you won't occasionally get some junk mail when a temporary postman is on duty on your round.

As to mps and tps online I used to get loads of junk mail because I never used to tick the opt out boxes when I subscribed to websites and sent credit card applications etc.  So registering with mpsonline.org.uk made a huge difference to me.  Of course you being as paranoid as you clearly appear to be over such matters would always have ticked such boxes so would never have got on these lists in the first place.  The MPSonline allows you to en bloc undo the harm of having sometimes not ticked the "I do wish to get communications from associated group companies of x" box.
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Reply #24 - Oct 20th, 2005 at 6:50pm
 
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...  If you won't give your name to the Royal Mail you really are paranoid as they already have it!  


Well they don't actually know I live here do they ?  They just deliver stuff addressed to the address, right ?   Do they keep a record of who's name was on it  Undecided


But seriously NGM, thanks  for explaining it all so clearly.  I think I 'll give it a try !
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Reply #25 - Oct 20th, 2005 at 7:11pm
 
Royal Mail Door to Door claim to have total uk coverage for their service here:-

http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2;jsessionid=T3OBGQHNJPZY2FB2IGDEOSQUHRAY...

Now clearly this is a lie as some people are registered for the Door to Door opt out but as the address to write to is not on their website (available on request only) and as the email address you were supposed to email to for the form to send only by snail mail (the one I have posted here) came back saying address not known for a long while (till I sent an email of complaint to the Chairman of the Royal Mail) not many people have succeeded in registering not to get this stuff.  May be only say 200,000 nationwide.

Having said that my postman does know about the opt out scheme but said only about two other people in his round were currently registered not to get the junk mail.  He said he wished more people would register as he personally hated delivering it and the extra pay for delivering the stuff was peanuts.
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Reply #26 - Oct 20th, 2005 at 7:17pm
 
This website also says how you are meant to get out of the Door to Door stuff and gives an address that is different to the one I was given plus also a phone number.  May be you can register on the phone and have any of your questions clarified if you call them.

http://www.junk-mail.org.uk/links.html

Although I suspect they will still want a form in the post with a signature just to make life as hard as possible for you.
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Reply #27 - Oct 20th, 2005 at 8:40pm
 
I'm not registered with MPS. I have written to MBNA, Lloyds TSB and Capital One requesting they remove me from their marketing lists. On all occassions I have used their pre-paid envelopes they sent me.

The first two have done as I requested and not sent me any more marketing material.

However, Capital One have not managed to get the message, despite me writing 3 times! Is there anyone (apart from Capital One) I can complain to? You know, like if they send you some stuff when on the MPS list you can report it to the MPS; I have contacted them and they won't do as I request? Why should I opt-out of all mail due to these cretins?
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Reply #28 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 4:56pm
 
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However, Capital One have not managed to get the message, despite me writing 3 times!


Yes, I remember Capital One being particularly persistent.     After I started just writing
"Return to Sender - Not Known At This Adress"
(admittedly not as satisfying as stuffing their envelopes)
and returning them, they seem to have stopped.

Any unused,  Un-solicited, reply paid envelopes you have, can
Either:-
be re-used with a sticky label (never have to buy envelopes again)
OR
used to support the good old British Post Office and keep the cost of postage down,  by sending them back to the originator, empty, stuffed or otherwise, it doesn't really matter.
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Re: Free Directory Enquiries.
Reply #29 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 9:49pm
 
I fill in the application and put my occupation as 'undischarged bankrupt' - but they never send me a credit card.
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