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Working lunch & Patientline?
Reply #225 - Jan 18th, 2006 at 1:56pm
 
Today there was an investigation of high cost of calls to hospital patients - and I missed it !
Anyone see it and can comment?
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Reply #226 - Jan 18th, 2006 at 2:06pm
 
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Reply #227 - Jan 18th, 2006 at 3:15pm
 
Unfortunately broadband has not reached our rural idyll yet Angry Angry
Hence the reason I was hoping for some info.  Thanks anyway though.
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Reply #228 - Jan 18th, 2006 at 4:40pm
 
firestop wrote on Jan 18th, 2006 at 3:15pm:
Unfortunately broadband has not reached our rural idyll yet Angry Angry
Hence the reason I was hoping for some info.  Thanks anyway though.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4623942.stm - is the news story on BBC.

I heard an interview with the Patientline MD on 'Today' this morning. He basically blamed the government for structuring the deal so that all the cost for bedside phones fell on the patient and welcomed Ofcom's intervention
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Reply #229 - Jan 19th, 2006 at 9:13am
 
Cheers, farci, I had actually read that, already, however.
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Reply #230 - Jan 19th, 2006 at 12:11pm
 
padarn wrote on Jan 18th, 2006 at 2:06pm:


You won't need broadband for that clip it's only 34Kbps:

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Title   Working Lunch - weekdays on BBC TWO
  Artist / Source   http://news.bbc.co.uk
  Copyright   (c) British Broadcasting Corporation
  File Name   http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/progs/business/working_lunch/working_lunch.ram
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  Length   33:00
  Format   RealVideo
  Quality   34Kbps
  Audio Channels   1


It should play OK over a dialup connection.
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Reply #231 - Jan 20th, 2006 at 8:47pm
 
farci wrote on Jan 18th, 2006 at 4:40pm:
I heard an interview with the Patientline MD on 'Today' this morning. He basically blamed the government for structuring the deal so that all the cost for bedside phones fell on the patient and welcomed Ofcom's intervention


I expect if his officers were in the habit of mistreating officers in prisons he would have blamed the government for not giving him a big enough budget to hire better qualified officers.  As opposed to it being his fault for not having good enough procedures in place to weed out the bad apples.  Mr Derek Lewis is nothing if not economical with the truth.

Obviously it would be most fair for the patients and not the relatives to pay the extra cost of the calls but isn't £3.50 a day enough to be able to afford to provide normal priced incoming phone calls???!!!! Shocked  A starting point would be for Patientline to offer a geographic phone number if you pay the £3.50 a day but an 070 if you don't subscribe but still want phone calls.  Although I really don't see why the tv service should cost more than £1.50 a day if it is to be affordable to most people.  If Patientline can't make a profit for 8 years they are clearly a very inefficient operator in terms of the supply cost of the bedside terminals and/or also possibly falsely economising by not buying the best equipment of Bosch/Miele reliability standards that needs little or no maintenance.

By the way bigjohn there is already a thread running on Patientline and you really should have made this post there.  I hope that Dave will merge this thread with the Patientline thread in due course.
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Reply #232 - Jan 21st, 2006 at 8:27am
 
Twas me what did it , Guv.

Sorry, NGM, you appear to owe bigjohn an apology - he is not in this thread at all Wink
I take your point though and agree it would have been better in the other thread Embarrassed
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Reply #233 - Jan 21st, 2006 at 8:49am
 
firestop wrote on Jan 21st, 2006 at 8:27am:
Twas me what did it , Guv.

Sorry, NGM, you appear to owe bigjohn an apology - he is not in this thread at all Wink
I take your point though and agree it would have been better in the other thread Embarrassed


Ah yes.  My apologies to bigjohn it would seem.

I know the business about not starting new threads on the same topic can sometimes be difficult to comply with firestop but in this case the existing Patientline thread was really rather prominent.
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Reply #234 - Jan 21st, 2006 at 4:12pm
 
farci wrote on Jan 18th, 2006 at 4:40pm:
I heard an interview with the Patientline MD on 'Today' this morning. He basically blamed the government for structuring the deal so that all the cost for bedside phones fell on the patient and welcomed Ofcom's intervention

But by entering into this 'deal', wasn't Mr Lewis accepting such conditions? If he thought it was that bad, then why didn't his company take its 'expertise' elsewhere? Roll Eyes
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Reply #235 - Jan 21st, 2006 at 10:10pm
 
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This rate is now 46.6p peak and 37.1p off peak per minute inclusive of VAT.  I note that prefixes 070413 to 070417 are indeed charged at the e code PNS rate at just under 5p per minute at all times.  What a shame Patientline does not instead use those nearby number blocks.  The fact that Patientline choose to use out of date prices on their website is clearly up to them.  Since they obviously have no concept of what is an unreasonable price in the first pace it comes as no surpise to find they cannot even update their website in a timely fashion.  See www.patientline.co.uk/yourservices.htm for where you are presumably getting your out of date figures from.

The rates shown on the Patientline page are correct. 49p/39p/39p. The rates you quote appear to be applicable to a discount option such as BT Together.
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Reply #236 - Jan 21st, 2006 at 10:18pm
 
to go back a bit ...

trevord wrote on Jan 6th, 2006 at 1:35pm:
This is not directly related to the cost of phone calls and other services provided by Patientline, and I have not seen how these services are physically implemented at a hospital bed, but I assume that there must be a handset and other controls handled by the patient.

Are these thoroughly disinfected and cleaned between patients, or are they a means of passing MRSA and other infections between patients?

At most hospitals, the licensee (ie: Patientline, Premier, Hospicom, or Patientpal) is responsible for cleaning every terminal every day.
At others, the terminals are cleaned by the hospital's usual ward cleaners, presumably at cost to the licensee.
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Reply #237 - Jan 21st, 2006 at 10:36pm
 
bbb_uk wrote on Dec 31st, 2005 at 12:19pm:
I think the so-called 1 hour free is only when you pay the £3.50 you get it for 24 hours (23 hours is paid for with the remainder 1 hour free).  The many times I've visited people in hospital they have never got their free 1hour TV assuming you haven't paid for the TV.  I rung them over this once and was informed you pay for 23hours and get 1 hour free.

With Patientline it's the other way round - you get the hour of free TV only if you're not paying for TV.


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I know it would cost Patientline to display that free TV channel to the bedside in running costs, etc but this is likely to be low compared to the over £100 it costs the patients a month in having a few TV channels (most of which are free).
It actually costs a lot less than £100 per month for TV.
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Reply #238 - Jan 21st, 2006 at 11:59pm
 
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Actually it is clearly you who do not understand and the fact that the Patientline equipment means that your sad little radio station (which I am sure is of very poor quality indeed and most patients other than the usual C2DE suspects will undoubtedly not enjoy) can be listened to for free in almost every bed means that your judgement has been warped about people being asked to pay £24.50 per week or £1,278 for watching television in their hospital bed.

I was basing my figures on the likely revenue take on each unit based on 365 x £3.50 minus say 20% bed non occupancy or patient non uptake.

Your guesses of the 'likely' revenue overstate it by at least a third even when the phone revenues are included.


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If Patientline are paying £1,000 per bedside station installation clearly they are incompetent businessmen as with this high density volume of installations and the current cost of technology there is no way it should cost more than £500 per bed to install one of these systems and pay for the equipment.  But then perhaps the installation company is run by another business connection of Mr Derek Lewis and/or perhaps he also has shares in the company carrying out the equipment installation?  If Patientline are so inefficient that their installation costs really are £1,000 per bed they certainly deserve to go out of business.

On average it costs Patientline about £1M to equip a hospital, so divided by the average number of terminals comes out at just over £2,000 per terminal. Patientline does not sub-contact its installation work.


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You were also very wrong on outgoing Patientline calls being cheaper than a BT Payphone but again conveniently duck those facts. Smiley

DC was wrong because the information was outdated. In the first years of Patientline's operation, outbound calls did cost about 10% less than BT payphone prices, and they have never been increased.
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Reply #239 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 4:11pm
 
pw4 wrote on Jan 21st, 2006 at 10:10pm:
The rates shown on the Patientline page are correct. 49p/39p/39p. The rates you quote appear to be applicable to a discount option such as BT Together.


BT Together rates are what people on BT Option 1, Option 2 and Option 3 pay to call Patientline.  That is the rate charged on over 95% of BT residential lines and for 99%+ of Patientline calls by call volume given that BT Light User Scheme and BT In Contact Plus customers (the only BT residential customers not to pay BT Together rates and to pay the full rates for Patientline calls) are understandably likely to be very reluctant indeed to make a call costing nearly £30 an hour.  Also please tell me where I can find the full BT rates outside BT Together as BT don't seem very keen to publicise those rates on their website?

Still if you want to argue that most BT customers are paying a rate that is higher than they actually are paying to call Patientline that's clearly up to you.  If I really had to call someone on Patientline I would use www.18866.co.uk at 15p per minute at all times on my BT line.  And you don't mention BT Payphone rates to pn3 of £1 a minute versus less than 2p per minute for an 01 or 02 geographic phone number.  Most mobiles also seem to charge £1 a minute at all times to call Patientline.

By the way why do you irritatingly start a new message for every point you wish to make.  That makes it rather obvious you are in fact the same person as the other hospital radio chappie with a different user name who said he was quitting the forum.  Rather than lose face you have instead dreamed up a new user name.
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