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Reply #510 - Sep 6th, 2007 at 11:54am
 
mikeinnc wrote on Sep 6th, 2007 at 3:37am:
Looks like Patientline directors have been greasing a few more palms......

"Patients' lives at risk from mobile signals"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=4802...

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The scientists who carried out the tests want hospitals to ban mobiles from wards.


And I wonder how much Patientline paid these so-called anonymous "scientists" to make that observation? It's strange that it is only in Rip Off Britain..... no such problems in the USA or anywhere else, as far as I can tell. How very convenient!

Oh, wait a minute though......the US don't have a corrupt NHS!  Grin


There are now 12 comments on this item on the Daily Mail website : ---

Goodness we don't have any controls here in New Zealand, I text my parents from the theater during my Ceasarean op. to tell them what the baby was.
- Catherine., Hastings New Zealand

Are these medical devices subject to interference tests or CE approval? Virtually nothing else suffers in this way, not even the much talked about car air bags.
Is this an attempt by hospital trusts to force patients to use their extortionately expensive bedside telephones?
- Dave, Howden, UK

A few weeks ago it was "proved" mobile phones do not interfere with medical equipment. Now it's been "proved" they do. Methinks research just proves anything it wants to - it just depends on who is bankrolling the research.
- Gill, Ramsgate, Kent

I fail to see that just because a mobile phone signal interferes with medical equipment means that it is a danger to health.

There are lots of electronic devices that interfere with other electronic equipment. For example as I type this comment I noticed some 'noise' on a radio close by, moving my laptop decreases it, so obviously there are all sorts of signals going through my body as I type!

CB and taxi transmitters can commonly be heard 'breaking though' on TVs etc, so are these singals making us ill as well?

I think that we are becoming a little paranoid about all of this (or perhaps I should be worried about my computer?)
- Rob Southerington, Syston Leicestershire

For goodness' sake - any and all forms of electronic and electrical equipment radiate some part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Therefore it is likely that mobile phones, bleepers, pagers and even PCs could cause interference with other electronic equipment in any situation and more especially hospitals unless they are in a 'screened' room, that is one with a shield within the walls and doors that stops such radiation seeping out. I despair at the general ignorance of the commercial world!
- Ken, Suffolk, England

Why have these very simple tests taken so many years?

It indicates a lack of social responsibility on the part of the mobile phone manufacturers and the mobile phone network Companies.
- K Urban, London UK

The problem is not the mobile phones - it's the medical equipment manufacturers not sheilding their equipment properly from electrical interference. All medical kit should be sheilded properly.
- Marc, Essex,UK

At last somebody with common sense. I think mobile phones are very important, for peoples piece of mind, and security, but I wish they were banned from being used on public transport. I feel most embarressed FORCED to listen to other people's conversations.
- Derek, Birmingham

Probably a 'Scam' to secure a ban on their use so that patients have to use the Hospital phone set up, and as such pay the extortionate rates demanded. They must all think we are stupid!
- Gordon, France

So, now will be get all medical and non-medical staff to hand in their mobile phones to the reception desk as they report for work.
- Keith Jones, Hartlepool

So modify the equipment so it's screened from mobile signals. It's the equipment that's at fault not the mobiles.
- Epimethean, Surrey

The actual report by the journal "Critical Care" states that Critical care equipment is vulnerable with median distances of about 3cm. That is just over 1 inch!

The scientists who did this research did NOT use real mobile phones, they "mimicked the sort of signals emitted"! What sort of objective scientific test is that? Why not use real phones?

Who paid for this research and why was it not done in the UK?

According to the report the results are only relevant in critical care situations and are not applicable to hospital equipment generally.

The DoH are right to be sceptical about the validity of this report. Are mobile phones banned in hospitals in any other country? They are not banned in the USA.

Treat this report with scepticism.
- Cyril, UK



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Reply #511 - Oct 29th, 2007 at 10:12pm
 
http://www.patientline.co.uk/downloads/28_09_07_trading_update.pdf

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RNS Number:7169E Patientline PLC 28 September 2007 For Immediate Release 28 September 2007 Patientline plc (the "Company") Trading Update The Board reports that the anticipated and historically seen seasonal upturn in trading during September has not yet materialised. In addition to the already challenging operating environment, the recent instruction by OFCOM, whereby a message is played to callers to 0700 numbers at the start of calls informing them of the maximum potential cost of the call, seems to have been a major factor in reducing incoming call revenues. The OFCOM decision, which took effect from 1st September 2007, has the misleading effect of telling callers of the maximum cost per minute of an 0700 call rather than the actual Patientline cost which is always lower and often significantly lower. As a result, revenues so far in September are materially below expectations. If the current revenue trends continue then the liquidity position of the Company will become increasingly tight towards the end of this calendar year. For this reason the Board, as stated previously, continues to be in constructive discussions with its banks with regards to restructuring its balance sheet in advance of this time.
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Reply #512 - Oct 29th, 2007 at 10:53pm
 
idb wrote on Oct 29th, 2007 at 10:12pm:
The OFCOM decision, which took effect from 1st September 2007, has the misleading effect of telling callers of the maximum cost per minute of an 0700 call rather than the actual Patientline cost which is always lower and often significantly lower.

I assume that means the announcement has to specify that the maximum per minute cost is 50p.

If so, Patientline's 49p/minute peak rate may well be lower (but not a lot). 

However, I wonder how many people (apart from Patientline employees) would describe their off peak 39p/minute rate as 'significantly lower'.
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Reply #513 - Jan 11th, 2008 at 4:35am
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=5069...

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20p to spend a penny, £4 to see a church and a fortune to call a sick relative. What a mean-spirited nation we've become!
Like thousands of Britons, I have a relative in hospital. Because the hospital is a long way from where I live, I am forced to rely a lot on the Patientline bedside phone service installed by most NHS trusts.

And in this I have discovered an unpleasant little fact that illustrates nicely, I believe, a plague that is spreading across this country.

This is not a wave of crime, drugs or bingedrinking, but an epidemic of what can only be termed mean-spiritedness - the hugelyunpleasant mindset that is seeping into so many aspects of life today.

Patientline is the private company that won a contract with the Department of Health to provide telephone and television services to patients' bedsides.

It is notorious for its exorbitant charges and for the devious little trick of contractually forcing NHS trusts to forbid patients from using their own mobile phones, allegedly because the signals interfere with hospital equipment, although there is no scientific evidence to support this.

This is well-known. But rather less well-known is another nasty little rip-off, which is the recorded message that callers to a bedside phone have to listen to.

Phone a Patientline number and you would expect to get connected to the patient. Oh no.

First, you have to listen to a long preamble concerning the charges. Then you are put through to another preamble, carefully worded, by a fruity actorish voice, and clearly crafted to be as long-winded as possible.

This whole process takes, I timed it, some 85 seconds. An irritating waste of your time, but it's more than that. The truth is you have to pay for the privilege of hearing how much you are paying for your call. This is the equivalent of being charged to enter a shop.

How has it been allowed to happen? According to Patientline, the message is there because of "customer demand". I asked the company to supply me with evidence of this - testimonials, emails or surveys.

Unsurprisingly, Patientline could provide me with no documentary evidence that their "customers" (the entrapped, hapless victims of a monopoly trying to speak to their friends and relations in state-run hospitals) "demanded" to be charged to listen to a recorded message at all.

I then turned to Ofcom, Britain's telecommunications watchdog, the body that is supposed to protect the public from scams like this.

Its response was that it used to be the case (between September and December last year) that for 070 numbers, the recorded message informing callers of charges was both compulsory, under Ofcom rules, and free.

Then, "to prevent issues with burglar alarm systems", this requirement was dropped.

No, I didn't understand their explanation as to how this could possibly affect burglar alarms, either.

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Reply #514 - Jan 11th, 2008 at 4:37am
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/money/2008/0...

Patientline's life in hands of banks
By Richard Fletcher
Last Updated: 1:27am GMT 10/01/2008

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The board of Patientline will gather at the troubled hospital telecoms group's headquarters in Slough for a general meeting.

The meeting is a legal technicality - a result of the fact that net assets are now worth half the called-up share capital - but it will nevertheless be an embarrassing affair for the directors.

Company law requires them to discuss with shareholders "what action, if any, should be taken to deal with this situation".

The reality is that despite the efforts of the current management - turnaround specialists parachuted in after a shareholder revolt - the survival of Patientline is now in the hands of its bankers.

At the height of the 2001 telecoms bubble, Patientline was a stock market darling, as shares soared to more than 200p. But they have since fallen more than 99pc to close yesterday at 0.75p.

The omens were never good: Patientline floated in March 2001 at 175p, just as the dotcom bubble burst. With dealers' screens around the world turning red the shares closed down 8½p on the first day of trading.

Patientline had promised to revolutionise hospital wards.

Its system - the first of which was installed in Northwick Park Hospital, Harrow, in 1995 - not only allowed patients to talk to relatives and watch TV, it also promised to allow staff to read electronic notes at a patient's bedside and enable patients to order food.

Derek Lewis, the ambitious chief executive of Patientline, claimed the system would save lives. The technology, however, was not cheap.

The cost of installing terminals was substantial, at around an estimated £1,400 a bed.

Patientline footed the bill for installing over 72,000 terminals across the UK in return for an exclusive 15-year contract.

But the huge investment - it has run up losses of £100m since floating in March 2001 - has never paid off.

Health trusts failed to adopt electronic records, and its difficulties were compounded by increasing tolerance of mobile phones on wards and shorter hospital stays.

The company tried to recover its investment but an attempt to raise call charges by 160pc sparked a political outcry and it was forced to back down.

A separate decision by Ofcom that a message was played to callers informing them of the maximum potential cost of their calls caused further damage.

Patientline sought compensation from the NHS, but failed because agreements had been made with individual trusts.

Today, the loss making group has around £80m of debt, revenues continue to fall and Patientline's auditors have raised "significant doubts" over the its ability to continue as a going concern.

A restructuring of debt is the priority, but as non- executive chairman Geoff White said: "It is uncertain as to whether any value will be attributable to the ordinary shares in the restructuring."

The prognosis for Patientline's shareholders doesn't look good.
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Reply #515 - Jan 31st, 2008 at 1:24am
 
http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/hampshirenews/display.var.1982401.0.hospital...

Hospital phone service branded 'tax on the sick'
By Maheesha Kottegoda

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A CARER has branded a phone service a "tax on the sick" after she was left with a hefty bill following her mother's stay in hospital.

Alison Ransom said she was she shocked to receive the £79 bill for calls made by her mother Rachel through the Patientline service at Southampton General Hospital.

With premium rate charges of up to 49 pence a minute at peak times the cost of the calls quickly escalated.

Alison, who cares for her 75-year-old mum at their home in Heather Road, Fawley, said: "Our dad died in hospital last year so it was important for us to reassure mum while she recovered from her hip replacement operation.

"When the bill came through I laughed as I could not believe it.

"This was her lifeline to the family and I think Patientline exploited that to make money. It's disgusting.

"Patientline has too much of a hold on patients and the service. If some competition was introduced then maybe it would make it better for the patients."

The 39-year-old, who is herself disabled and claims incapacity benefit, said she was dumbfounded at how twice daily phone calls over five days could have cost so much and is now being forced to transfer the bill to a credit card and pay it off in instalments.

Patientline spokesman David Murphy said the phone charges were necessary to cover the £1,800 cost of buying, installing and maintaining each multimedia Patientline machine.

The service allows patients to choose whether to use the phone, TV, e-mail and computer game facilities while allowing staff to record patient data and take meal orders Mr Murphy said: "Patientline still has a total debt of £90m and our first priority is to resolve this debt. We hope to resolve this in the next financial year then we will be in a position to look at the cost of calls."

Southampton University Hospitals NHS Trust was one of the first trusts in the country to introduce the 49p-a-minute peak rate service, which has since been accused of taking advantage of a captive market.

A trust spokesman said: "The Patientline service, which is provided at no cost to the NHS, has operated for many years, allowing patients to make and receive direct dial phone calls from their family and friends, as well as watch TV and listen to the radio.

"The trust is constantly looking at ways of further improving the patient experience across the hospital and, as part of this, holds regular discussions with Patientline about the service provided."
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Reply #516 - Jan 31st, 2008 at 5:40pm
 
idb wrote on Jan 31st, 2008 at 1:24am:
Patientline spokesman David Murphy said the phone charges were necessary to cover the £1,800 cost of buying, installing and maintaining each multimedia Patientline machine.



A telephone dosn't cost £1800. A telephone's all the patient needs so why is he expected to pay for a £1800 terminal?
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Reply #517 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 1:29am
 
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/03/06/pressure-mounts-to-end...

Pressure mounts to end 49p a minute phone calls in hospitals

Mar 6 2008 by Madeleine Brindley, Western Mail

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CALLS are mounting for expensive hospital telephone charges to be axed in Wales after the Assembly Government scrapped parking fees.

Concerns have been growing about the amount of money it costs patients – and their relatives – to make a call from their hospital bedside.

And some politicians and professionals believe the blanket ban on mobile phones should now be lifted in hospitals to give patients an alternative to the expensive Patientline system used in five Welsh hospitals.

Health Minister Edwina Hart announced on Monday that hospital parking charges would be phased out from April this year, ending what many believe is a “stealth tax” on illness.

Lynne Neagle, Labour AM for Torfaen, said, “It has been scientifically proven that it is entirely safe to use mobile phones in almost all areas of a hospital.

“Add this to the fact that systems like Patientline can cost 49p a minute and we can see another example of charging that will impact most on the long-term sick and the most vulnerable people in Wales.

“While lifting an outright ban on mobiles will need careful implementation not to impact on patient privacy, steps must be taken to remove another unnecessary financial burden on patients.”

Patientline is used in five Welsh hospitals – the University Hospital of Wales, Cardiff, Royal Gwent, Newport, Nevill Hall, Abergavenny, Llandudno Hospital and Ysbyty Gwynedd in Bangor.

It provides bedside access to a telephone and television. Phone calls cost patients 10p a minute to make, but calls to the bedside cost 39p a minute off peak and 49p a minute during week days. A day’s television card costs between £2.90 and £3.50, depending on which system a hospital is using.

The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency does not recommend a blanket ban on the use of mobiles in hospitals.

But it advises that mobile phones should not be used in critical care areas, such as intensive therapy units, special care baby units or where patients are attached to complex devices, because of the risk that radio waves may upset medical equipment.

Dr Richard Lewis, Welsh secretary of the British Medical Association, said, “Patients should not be punished financially at the very time they need to keep in touch with their friends and relatives.

“It would seem from the MHRA’s recent research that it would be possible to identify areas in hospitals where patients could use their mobile phones safely and avoid the excessive costs as an unnecessary and deplorable burden on patients.

“Easing the blanket ban on the use of mobile phones would also enable better communication between doctors, which would be good news to patients ultimately because it would mean better use of doctors’ time.”

And Peter Johns, director of the Board of Community Health Councils in Wales, said, “There are issues about mobile phones being a disturbance – if they can be used then I believe that there should be a clear indication that they are only used on silent.

“Patientline is a contracted service and most trusts will have signed a deal for several years.

“There is also the issue that if you take the phone away, you will also lose the television facility – we don’t really want to go back to having a large television at the end of a ward that everyone will have to listen to and watch.”

A spokesman for Patientline said, “Patientline is always looking to make patients’ stay in hospital easier by providing some of the entertainment and communication choices they enjoy at home, including offering calls from a hospital bed from 10p.

“As a private company we subsidise children’s wards to provide free television and we would be delighted if the Government could allow for subsidy of the telephone service too.”

A spokesman for the Welsh Assembly Government said, “There is a One Wales commitment to reform hospital phone charges and an announcement will be made on this matter in due course.”
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Reply #518 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 1:32am
 
An article on general 'hospital rip-offs', with a brief mention of Patientline.

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/blackpoolnews/Hospital-39ripoff39-outrage.3927...

Published Date: 29 March 2008

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Reply #519 - Apr 7th, 2009 at 1:45am
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/money/invest-save/james-daley-the-sickening-cost-of...

James Daley: The sickening cost of a hospital service

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I was reminded what a rip-off hospital entertainment systems are this week, when my mother was taken ill for a few days. Although it's great for patients to have bedside phones and televisions, the cost of using them is extortionate. For people making calls to patients in the hospital, the prices are even higher.


To call from a landline, it costs 39p a minute off-peak and 49p a minute on-peak (and much more from a mobile) – and there's no way of escaping paying for at least a two-minute call, as you're forced to listen to a lengthy introductory message. It's such a blatant scam that if I wasn't so angry every time I used the service, I would have found it quite funny. First of all, the recorded message is spoken in an unnecessarily slow voice – a bit like playing a 45rpm record at 33rpm (apologies for the rather outdated analogy). Secondly, the message includes useless tips such as "Please remember that the person you are calling may be with medical staff or have difficulty reaching the phone, so please be patient."

It should be up to the caller to decide how many rings they hang on for before giving up. The reason they want you to wait as long as possible, of course, is that by the time the phone starts ringing, you're already being charged by the minute.

I imagine that the reason these systems are so expensive is that the NHS had nothing much to do with them. A private company – Patientline – developed and installed the systems, and claimed that the reason it was charging so much was because it needed to recoup these initial costs. This may be so – but surely they could have charged less, and recouped their costs more slowly. As it stands, they are exploiting families when they are at their most vulnerable.

Bizarrely – in spite of milking their users for tens of pounds every day – Patientline went bust at the start of last year, and was bought out by another company, Hospedia, run by a former Vodafone executive who has promised to slash call charges. So far, however, there's no sign of these services being any better value than they were under their former ownership.

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