SAYNOTO0870.COM - 18866 increase connection charge!!!

NonGeographicalMan

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Re: 18866 increase connection charge!!!
Reply #45 - Sep 17^th, 2005 at 10:31am

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2.Yes i expect that could be the case,and i would imagine they already have some new domains listed,ready for new offspring(products).

Look at how long they had www.18185.co.uk registered for before they launched the service.

I really can't understand why Finarea don't offer a competitive 5p per minute cost for 0870 on 18866 and 1899 though? It seems daft one has to call an NGN instead to get this pricing.

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dorf Supreme Member Offline I hate Qs on Premium NGNs Posts: 575 UK Gender:	Re: 18866 increase connection charge!!! Reply #46 - Sep 17^th, 2005 at 10:23pm NGM, my post answering your question has disappeared again! This is becoming a habit?
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Smasher

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Reply #47 - Sep 18^th, 2005 at 2:15pm

With regard to NGM's request to cancel accounts, it so happens that I haven't used them at all, but kept my account open - what difference will it make to them if I don't use it at all and keep it open, or just go one step further and shut it? ???

Don't forget 1899 doesn't offer Direct Debit so they could in theory charge anything to a Debit/Credit Card and run Undecided

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NonGeographicalMan

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Reply #48 - Sep 18^th, 2005 at 5:35pm

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With regard to NGM's request to cancel accounts, it so happens that I haven't used them at all, but kept my account open - what difference will it make to them

Don't forget 1899 doesn't offer Direct Debit so they could in theory charge anything to a Debit/Credit Card and run Undecided

The difference it will make is that following their 50% hidden increase in connection charge I am sure they will count the number of 18866 cancellations they get in the ensuing weeks as a result. Whereas they will be less likely to notice people who merely stop using their account for a while. Also emails of complaint will get their attention even if they don't reply to them.

One reason for cancelling the account would be that it cancels their authority to make any further debits for 18866 after the final closing account balance. Whereas to leave an inactive card account with an open card authority would potentially allow them to take payments in the future.

My last credit card bill shows a debit to Finarea which I believe is the first time that they have started taking payments under their reall name rather than 18866 or Bibit etc. I wonder if they are soon going to come out into the open, consolidate everything and start a CPS or Wholesale Line Rental service as Finarea. You can't be a collection of 10 2 bit players to do something like that cost effectively.

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NonGeographicalMan Ex Member	Re: 18866 increase connection charge!!! Reply #49 - Sep 18^th, 2005 at 5:36pm Quote: NGM, my post answering your question has disappeared again! This is becoming a habit? As I was away from home last night I never saw your removed post Dorf. Are you sure that the fault is not perhaps with your computer in transmitting some of your new messages?
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bigjohn Supreme Member Offline Posts: 2,316 Gender:	Re: 18866 increase connection charge!!! Reply #50 - Sep 18^th, 2005 at 7:59pm Have a look at this Finerea site which appears to be the equivalent to 1899/18866 in Switzerland.As you will see the page layout is similar to Finerea,s uk sites. www.10787.ch
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Tanllan Supreme Member Offline Posts: 797 Gender:	Re: 18866 increase connection charge!!! Reply #51 - Sep 18^th, 2005 at 9:06pm Tks BJ. Have just emailed the details to various friends in Geneva (even if the site is in German).
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Smasher

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Re: 18866 increase connection charge!!!
Reply #52 - Sep 18^th, 2005 at 9:14pm

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The difference it will make is that following their 50% hidden increase in connection charge I am sure they will count the number of 18866 cancellations they get in the ensuing weeks as a result. Whereas they will be less likely to notice people who merely stop using their account for a while. Also emails of complaint will get their attention even if they don't reply to them.

One reason for cancelling the account would be that it cancels their authority to make any further debits for 18866 after the final closing account balance. Whereas to leave an inactive card account with an open card authority would potentially allow them to take payments in the future.

My last credit card bill shows a debit to Finarea which I believe is the first time that they have started taking payments under their reall name rather than 18866 or Bibit etc. I wonder if they are soon going to come out into the open, consolidate everything and start a CPS or Wholesale Line Rental service as Finarea. You can't be a collection of 10 2 bit players to do something like that cost effectively.

But they are still cheaper for a 3p connection fee and no per minute charges, than if I were to use my CPS provider which charges 5p minimum. Am I missing something?? ??? Embarrassed

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NonGeographicalMan

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Reply #53 - Sep 18^th, 2005 at 10:21pm

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But they are still cheaper for a 3p connection fee and no per minute charges, than if I were to use my CPS provider which charges 5p minimum. Am I missing something?? ??? Embarrassed

They are now no cheaper than 1899 for 01/02 calls and more expensive than 1899 for mobile calls. Also dialaround and various other Finarea NGN 0844 methods are cheaper than BT for 0870 whereas 18866 is not

Tele2 now only charge £7.49 for unlimited 01/02 calls at any time so that's only 250 calls per month with 18866. Or put another way if you make 9 calls a day or more to 01 and 02 numbers in your household then an unlimited calls plan like Tele2 would be cheaper for you.

Also I think one should cancel one's 18866 account and move to 1899 just to make a point even though ultimately it is owned by the same holding company.

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Reply #54 - Sep 19^th, 2005 at 9:47am

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They are now no cheaper than 1899 for 01/02 calls and more expensive than 1899 for mobile calls. Also dialaround and various other Finarea NGN 0844 methods are cheaper than BT for 0870 whereas 18866 is not

Tele2 now only charge £7.49 for unlimited 01/02 calls at any time so that's only 250 calls per month with 18866. Or put another way if you make 9 calls a day or more to 01 and 02 numbers in your household then an unlimited calls plan like Tele2 would be cheaper for you.

Also I think one should cancel one's 18866 account and move to 1899 just to make a point even though ultimately it is owned by the same holding company.

I'm ready to click the option "Cancel" but I'm a little concerned about giving continuous credit card authority to 1899. Undecided

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NonGeographicalMan Ex Member	Re: 18866 increase connection charge!!! Reply #55 - Sep 19^th, 2005 at 9:57am Presumably one reason that the all uk georaphic calls at any time option gets ever cheaper is because the number of calls most people can make to such numbers, especially in the more valuable weekday daytime period, constantly becomes ever smaller?
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max Newbie Offline Posts: 4	Re: 18866 increase connection charge!!! Reply #56 - Sep 19^th, 2005 at 10:28am Hi Smasher I am on talktalk. could u explain: "...Onetel wanted our Select service without our permission. They accepted liability so if they offer more than the standard 3 months..." I think i missed something interesting regards Max
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NonGeographicalMan Ex Member	Re: 18866 increase connection charge!!! Reply #57 - Sep 19^th, 2005 at 10:59am Quote: I think i missed something interesting Kind of hard for us to tell what we missed when Smasher failed to include it I think?
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Smasher Senior Member Offline Posts: 346 UK	Re: 18866 increase connection charge!!! Reply #58 - Sep 19^th, 2005 at 11:07am Quote: Kind of hard for us to tell what we missed when Smasher failed to include it I think? What did I miss out? ???
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Reply #59 - Sep 19^th, 2005 at 11:08am

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Hi Smasher

I am on talktalk. could u explain:

"...Onetel wanted our Select service without our permission. They accepted liability so if they offer more than the standard 3 months..."

I think i missed something interesting

This is off-topic a bit but Smasher had his outgoing calls (via CPS) changed from TalkTalk to OneTel without receiving a letter from either company which is against OfCOM guidelines. For more info and to discuss it more see Smashers thread here.

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