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Re: OFCOM - FUTURE OF 0870 NUMBERS - CONSULTATION
Reply #225 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 7:34pm
 
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I can see that the end of POTS doesn't mean a fairer UK telecommunications market. BT is in the best position to make a head start, and that is what it is doing.

I agree with what you say mikeinnc, however, look at it from BT's point of view; it's now a profit making company and does what it sees as the best for its shareholders.

The question is, how do you expect any company to be happy to give up some of its market share to competitors?


I agree entirely, Dave, but here is the rub. It is precisely because BT is frantically trying to hang on to market share that it has grabbed the NGN scam with both hands - and is obviously hanging on for dear life! I wonder how many expensive lunches or "exploratory" all-paid trips to "investigate telecommunications structures" in suitably exotic and far-off sunny climes have been handed out (and no doubt taken gleefully!) to Ofcom regulators recently? After all, we wouldn't want those nasty regulators to take away the trough, would we?

Of course, it is a dilemma because BT is a private company. However, there comes a point when ethics come into play. Yes, I know - there aren't many in business these days. The paradox is that as a private company, BT is required to increase shareholder value. On the other hand, consumers expect a level playing field - and Parliament obviously intended to ensure they got one. That - presumably - is why Ofcom was set up. The problem is, when the regulator is completely subsumed by the incumbent it is supposed to be regulating, the whole process breaks down.

I own shares in a major telco (no - not BT!) and so I know the dilemma that is faced. I am also a consumer and hate being ripped off. There should be a happy medium. That is the crux of the NGN scam. That is what the regulator is supposed to achieve. Currently, there is no happy medium. It is entirely one sided - and totally anti-consumer. I guess that's why we are all here!

All I am trying to say is that it might be worth emphasising these issues to Ofcom in any consultation document.  At least if Ofcom recognise that we realise what their game is, they might just finally bite the bullet and do something about it.
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Reply #226 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 7:28pm
 
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The question is, how do you expect any company to be happy to give up some of its market share to competitors?


I would have thought by having an effective regulator who makes regulations that genuinely are in the best interests of uk citizens and consumers.  Instead what we have is a regulator massively infiltrated by senior employees of uk telcos who are seemingly working to make regulations that instead favour the entrenched business interests of established large telecoms market players.
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Reply #227 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 7:32pm
 
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[color=Red]Can we take this further with T.D.T.?  I am happy to try and prepare a response to T.D.T. so that they might consider developing this whole issue further in their columns, provided that someone else is willing to let me bounce a draft off them - please send me a private mail or answer in this thread if you are game.  BTW, I am a regular subscriber to T.D.T.


Sonny a good idea I would say.

Go ahead and do it is my answer.  And if anyone else wants to do the same to The Daily Telegraph in their own words then so much the better.
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Reply #228 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 9:37pm
 
NGM, and with reference to your previous point concerning an ineffective regulator, that it seems was the conclusion in The Money Programme this evening on BBC2 TV.
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Reply #229 - Nov 12th, 2005 at 7:57am
 
Yes, they really did give ICSTIS a hard time - would that we could get them to do the same thing for 0870 and Ofcom!!
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Reply #230 - Nov 12th, 2005 at 10:18am
 
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Yes, they really did give ICSTIS a hard time - would that we could get them to do the same thing for 0870 and Ofcom!!


And ICSTIS actually does a better job than Ofcom! Wink Shocked
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Reply #231 - Nov 13th, 2005 at 11:34pm
 
Yes I agree
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Reply #232 - Nov 14th, 2005 at 3:19am
 
dorf wrote on Nov 13th, 2005 at 11:34pm:
Yes I agree


Dorf,

Why are you now listed as being an ex member?Smiley Smiley

Something to do with the the move to the new version of the forum software and a lost password on your part I fear?  You do realise that when you first become a forum member and get an email with one of those obscure unmemorable passwords you can then use your Profile to change it to a word you can remember.  If you ever do recover the password for dorf I would very strongly advise that as being a sensible course of action to take.

NGM.
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Reply #233 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 11:54am
 
Hi NGM,

There appeared to be some problem with the forum and I was ejected and became an ex-member. I thought intially that I might have posted something which a moderator had thought to be too contentious and had thus been zapped. But it might have had something to do with me making a load of continuous fatuous posts to attempt to avoid being downgraded, since it seems the new threshold may be 500? However Daniel appears to have sorted it now so I am afraid you will have to put up with me again as an ex-member restored. (I did not lose my PW.)
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Reply #234 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 12:04pm
 
I noticed that the same thing seemed to have occurred with Dave being listed as an ex-member and he appears to have been restored now?
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Reply #235 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 12:08pm
 
Dorf,

I would not support you making fatuous posts purely to reach the magic 500 now required to become a Supreme Member of the forum.  In fact I would wholeheartedly support a moderator removing any such posts with no genuine content.

One has to accept the fact that with the increased popularity of the forum that the stakes have been raised and that only a few of us will therefore be accorded this mighty honour. Wink

Smiley


But being serious Dorf if you keep posting two or three posts a day then in just over two weeks time you should be with us in the Supreme Member camp.  Although speaking as one of them it does not seem to be a particularly great or overwhelming honour. Undecided

On the password matter I believe I am right in saying that you have mislaid them in the past and my thought was that surely you could overcome this by always changing your password in your member profile to one that you could easily remember? Smiley
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Reply #236 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 12:12pm
 
dorf wrote on Nov 15th, 2005 at 12:04pm:
I noticed that the same thing seemed to have occurred with Dave being listed as an ex-member and he appears to have been restored now?


Fortunately for them this did not happen in my case.  However I would assume that your historic PMs are also still back to front?
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Reply #237 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 1:50pm
 
Hi NGM,

You say "fortunately for them..". Who is them? I do not understand.

I do have a memorable password for my log-in. I cannot think what you can mean?!

You are right - my PMs are all back to front now. That really is a bit weird. Is this a result of the new SW?
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Reply #238 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 1:59pm
 
NGM, in stating that you do not support me in my feckless response to being downgraded, it seems that you are demonstrating a somewhat "dog-with-a-bone" position as a new "Supreme" member. I admit that my strategy may have been somewhat unusual, perhaps even unacceptable to some, perhaps even futile, but I have noticed looking back that some of those with the highest number of postings on this forum have posted quite a few one liners from time to time!

I have also noticed that the same individuals from time-to-time indulge in a practice of posting part of a specific instance of contribution as three or four sequential posts instead of one, so as to get a count of three or four instead of only one on their contribution record. This is a lesson which I will seek to learn immediately to cover the miles more quickly!

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Reply #239 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 2:02pm
 
NGM, I have also now noticed that, checking on a number of caches, I have been further downgraded in the reinstatement of membership, and have lost a count of about 10 or 11 posts since being ejected from membership and made into an ex-member.

So I have even further to go now!
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