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The real BT National Rate is the Option 1 rate in terms of customer numbers but of course part of their game is to leave people as confused as possible so no one will understand what is actually going on.

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But I don't suppose they will worry much about us knowing what they are up to unless it gets in the national newspapers.

I have just been seeing to that very matter in respect of BT's attempt to sneak through their change in offpeak call charges from 1p to 3p per minute (after the first hour) and their half scam of rounding to the nearest 0.5p instead of 0.1p on every call.  The latter is probably worth say 10 calls a day = 2p x 90 days = £1.80 x 4 quarters = £7.20 x 20 million lines = £140 million minus those calls under Option 2 and 3 inclusive calls and Option 1 off peak calls that do not exceed 1 hour.  Say still £100 million?

I'm trying to get the national press to cover that angle.

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And that appears to be one reason why BT removed the Standard tariff.

More information on the BT Standard and its removal on this thread on The Scream forums. 

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And all these 'little' changes add up.

This concerns me that an illusion (partly due to the public's complacent attitude) is being created. The idea that the competition that was introduced was to reduce prices is absolute rubbish.

BT's competitors compare themselves to BT. So as BT is actually increasing rates by making small changes here and there, other providers are busy 'shaping' their packages to look like they're better than BT.

The Post Office's Homephone service is a typical example. They market it as being cheaper than BT, therefore it must be! So what about the increased costs for calling and 0870s?

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Just exactly what I was thinking across the pond here 5 hours ahead of you when I should be in bed.

And yes 084/7 and 07PNS is exactly the sort of disgraceful anti competitive price fixing that either Ofcom or the Office of Fair Trading or the Competition Commission should long since all have mercilessly stamped out.

But no it hasn't happened thus far because the corrupt hand of New Labour is firmly guiding all these bodies not to take rapid action on this issue on which both its own government departments and several Labour big business cronies all have their snouts firmly in the trough.

What can you expect from a government that is setting up a Police state that allows people to be detained in custody for up to 90 days without charge for making politically incorrect web posts or daring to heckle a speaker at the Labour Party Conference.  Think it won't happen?  Just you wait and see.

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Ah yes Dorf the New Labour anti motorist agenda is also truly frightening.  And that's before we start on the rising death toll on the roads after years of fall because the judgement of policemen has now been replaced by an army of yellow one armed robots interested only in issuing as many fines as possible.

Unfortunately many of those on the Conservative side of things were initially bamboozled by the New Labour spin about just wanting the traffic to flow better and only belatedly have they woken up to it being an old fashioned Communist style desire to make everyone use public transport to stamp out the spark of indiviudal freedom, choice and personaly liberty which the hidden but still forceful Labour hard left so despise and eschew.

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Hey NGM,   surely there are worse scams than this 0870 / 0845 thing in that haven of free enterprise across the pond.[/quote]

Not I think ones that are so actively enshrined by government regulation which is I think what idb was getting at.