Just found this    after being given the website from a company to who I complained about an 0870 number.

At the top is this: ["This document was originally published by Oftel, one of the organisations replaced by Ofcom at the end of 2003. It represents Ofcom's current policy"],
whilst it says it was published by Oftel at the end of 2003, it also states that it is Ofcoms "current"policy.

Check 2.18 for more wrong info re the cost of these calls.



Also check out the maps, No's 1.2.3.4

Of course it correct in defining that one never paid more for 087 and 084 than the national and local rates of the operator to which one was connected.
So just how did the current scam start...

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I emailed Ofcom yesterday to request they amend the website, and low and behold today that website is now empty with this message on it:-

"This document was originally published by Oftel, one of the organisations replaced by Ofcom at the end of 2003.
It is currently being revised to reflect recent numbering changes and will be updated soon"

Thus proving it was inaccurate information

Already done

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Absolutely. These numbers were originally introduced to allow businesses to have an easily memorable dialing code that charged a flat (national rate) charge. However, some businesses realised that by striking a deal with BT they could raise the charges and keep some of the profits.

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You seem to have an overly charitable view of the nature of people involved in the 0870 call centre scamming industry.

They know exactly what they are up to but like the mafia after they have just had 10 people executed will pull almost every trick in the book to try to claims these people must have just have accidentally all shot themselves in the head one night.

Hello Mr Asaboa,

Do you know a gentleman called Mr Peacock by any chance?

And no Ofcom was not the first to take any action on this matter.  Instead I and other campaigners who have complained about these NGN numbers to BT and OFTEL from as far back as 1997 are the campaigners who have been ignored by a corrupt and incompetent regulatory system.  Ofcom put off doing anything about this matter for just as long as it possibly could so as not to upset its telecoms industry chums.

Its first consultation 2 years ago suggested there was no problem because it completely hid the consultation's existence from public view and almost no one (even me) was aware of it or responded as a result.  Then the consultation Ofcom launched in October 2004 clearly produced responses that told it what it needed to do to put things right (even BT told it what it needed to do to put things rights and BT was basically right for once) but because those were not responses convenient to the telecoms industry Ofcom launched another consultation to further delay action and to try to water down the action to be taken against the telecoms industry.

My problem with Ofcom is its stated mission in its remit from Parliament to protect the interests of citizens and consumers but its staffing from stem to stern with telecoms and broadcasting industry professionals to whom their former working colleagues still in those industries can all too easily pick up the phone to seek help.

I would suggest that as the new boy to this forum you are not in a position to make pronouncements in such arrogant and self righteous terms.  Most people here share my views of Ofcom so it must surely be doing something wrong.

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No idea who Mr Peacock is ???
This, as you correctly assert, is a "forum" as such am I not at liberty to air my views? I'm certainly not an "Ofcom supporter" but I do believe in being reasonable. And most of you are perhaps expecting too much.
You say most people share your views so "surely [it] must be doing something wrong". How enlightening that you believe the majority is always right. (You're wrong by the way).