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Of course you are quite at liberty to express your views.  We live in a democracy and also this is a democratically run web forum where posts are very rarely deleted by the moderators and threads in this section are virtually never locked.

But I realise you came to this place perhaps somewhat  new in your awareness of the whole 0845 and 0870 higher call cost issue.  You don't have as much background in this dispute as we do.  And we who have been involved for a very long time observe that the 0845 and 0870 problem has only come about due to regulatory incompetence or complicity by OFTEL (Ofcom's predecessor and from which many staff now work at Ofcom) in allowing this revenue sharing to ever take place on numbers that they OFTEL/Ofcom stupidly also allowed to be called National Rate and Local Rate calls even when this was still no longer true.

You I think have been taken in (as Ofcom naturally hope) by the fact that because they Ofcom have just published another consultation on this matter it appears to you that they they are trying to do something for us the consumers. But the reality is that they published a consultation two years ago which they hid and did not promote and when no one responded they said there was no need to do anything about 0845 and 0870.

Then they issued a consultation last year where they got a very big noise back (including BT) that 0845 and 0870 being premium priced calls was wrong and must stop very soon and after considering those views for 9 months instead of acting to stop the scam they launch a new consultation document finishing in Decemember after which they will presumably take 9 more months to reach a decision making only minimal changes (and inadequate changes in the opinion of most people here) not happening untill another one or two years after that.

So that is why I think your view may have been expressed unaware of all the facts in this matter?

Are you aware that the CEO of Ofcom, Mr Stephen Carter, is the former Chief Operating Officer of NTL for instance and that most other senior Ofcom staff (eg Mr Matt Peacock who came from AOL) have previously been working at senior level in the telecoms and broadcasting industries.  So they are not terribly likely to be impartial or unbiased in their views.

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But of course Dorf since as Ofcom have stated in their latest consultation document these 084 and 087 numbers have in fact been responsible for the creation of many fine and valuable additional services that would not otherwise have existed.

If you cannot remember that you could not previously (before the launch of 084 and 087 numbers) telephone your bank or call a rail company for train times you are clearly suffering from selective amnesia and need to be immediately sent as fast as possible to Ofcom Re-education Camp No 3 to have this very serious memory error corrected.

Sorry - just to reiterate, I don't think this site is "just a message forum", but I'm just saying I don't think they give two hoots about what people say on a message forum.

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That's quite interesting. I'm happy to admit that I am surprised that they do in fact monitor this website (and others like it I'm sure). It would be nice if they would take note of some of the things said on here. Having said that, I know someone who was severely injured in the 7/7 attacks so I think that what you said was totally totally out of order. Amazing to think that while we were being attacked you still found it appropriate to have a dig at Ofcom. As a Londoner who works in the City I was caught up in all the grief that week.

Anyways, I'm going off topic. From what you said in your last post I concede, it does seem as though they do monitor such sites as these.  From experience NGM I can tell you that harrassing staff will not get you any results. But reasonable discussion will. I know that tone is often lost in text so I will just say that I am not trying to be arsey at all, merely give some pointers.

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That's quite interesting. I'm happy to admit that I am surprised that they do in fact monitor this website (and others like it I'm sure). It would be nice if they would take note of some of the things said on here. [/quote]

Istn't it only right that Ofcom should keep up with this forum.   As a taxpayer one might consider it neglectful if they didn't.

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But after such an event, that is wrong. It's comparable to politicians "burying bad news" when something like this happens.

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I think it's fair to criticise someone's actions, but not attack them personally. There is obviously a fine line.

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That is Ofcom's conclusion as a whole for which I do not agree because it negates to mention that many other non-value added services operate on 084/7 numbers. However, that is my opinion, and if someone wishes to come on here and say Ofcom are doing a wonderful job, I would disagree with them, and state my reasons why, but they would not be 'wrong'.

This is an important point, and why we (as a campaign group) should not be personally attacking people, but informing them and allowing them to make up their own mind.

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Poor sentense construction more than anything. Dork, you're really funny. You're my favourite guy on here because you are so wrapped up in your  conspiracy theory that I'm the CEO of Ofcom. Gahaha!! Dork - sorry, Dorf - do really think that the CEO of Ofcom (or any company for that matter) wouldcome on here? If as you are saying they don't care about your pedantry complaints, why would they come on here??

Anyways, I don't want to ruin your fun, so yes I am the CEO of Ofcom. Can you call me Sir Asaboa in future please? Thanks.

This revised User's Guide to Telephone Numbering has not come online yet. There is a message saying it will be ready by the end of January 2006. Why does it take Ofcom to make changes? Or is it starting from scratch?

It's a "User's guide," so I presume that it's meant for normal consumers to read and understand rather than full of loads of telecom-speak. Do they only have one wordprocessor in the office, or is it a slow typer?