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Re: University of Derby
Reply #15 - Oct 15^th, 2005 at 6:31pm

[quote author=joe65 link=1129240856/0#7 date=1129297840]Each of our Halls of Residence has it’s own unique character but most provide you with:
[list][*]A telephone in your room from which you can call your friends in Halls for free. We only charge you for calls out of the University [b]at standard BT rates[/b].
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The "standard BT rates" will be the ones that include the "national rate" that is always quoted for 0870 numbers, i.e. 8p/min. It's certainly not going to mean hour-long calls for 5.5p, which would be possible if a geographical number for the room could be found!

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Re: University of Derby
Reply #16 - Oct 15^th, 2005 at 6:44pm

ntl have eight numbers allocated in Derby:

01332 05zxxx
01332 23zxxx
01332 39zxxx
01332 59zxxx
01332 60zxxx
01332 72zxxx
01332 73zxxx
01332 74zxxx

As the extension is only three digits, you will need to try all the digits 0 to 9 in place of the z, so that'll be 80 numbers in total. It shouldn't take long, and as most of the numbers are likely to be unobtainable, shouldn't cost too much.

The first one is a dreaded "national dialling" number. I'd put my money on this one, in which case it won't work from a BT line. However, experience has shown that these numbers do work from ntl home phones and from Orange mobiles.

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Re: University of Derby
Reply #17 - Oct 15^th, 2005 at 7:23pm

[quote author=jrawle link=1129240856/15#15 date=1129401085]

The "standard BT rates" will be the ones that include the "national rate" that is always quoted for 0870 numbers, i.e. 8p/min. It's certainly not going to mean hour-long calls for 5.5p, which would be possible if a geographical number for the room could be found!
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If that's case the statement may be defensible, 'although if as is often the case , students are in fact required to use scratch cards (or the likes) at some Real Rip-Off rates, then it won't be.

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Dave Global Moderator Offline Posts: 9,902 Yorkshire Gender:	Re: University of Derby Reply #18 - Oct 15^th, 2005 at 7:25pm Quote: The "standard BT rates" will be the ones that include the "national rate" that is always quoted for 0870 numbers, i.e. 8p/min. It's certainly not going to mean hour-long calls for 5.5p, which would be possible if a geographical number for the room could be found! Can we have a link to confirm what these rates are?
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Re: University of Derby
Reply #19 - Oct 15^th, 2005 at 9:43pm

Hi,

My daughter is not in the halls this weekend so she won't be able to try it just yet but she's told me in order to use the phone for outgoing calls other than internal she has to go and register I think with student services or something so I don't know if she would get a bill every so often or what. So she can't ring me until she's done that to try and see if we can find the geographical number.

Thanx jrawle

I only just realised what you meant. I thought it was a BT line there but I can try it once she's back in the halls before she even registers the phone then. How do you know the extention will only be 3 of the numbers?

I am on NTL too and have 1899 so if any work I'll use that too. Why would it be 80 numbers to try? if I'm only replacing the z with digits 0-9 its only 10 tries isn't it or have I missunderstood?

Thanx for everyones comments its very helpfull of you all

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Reply #20 - Oct 16^th, 2005 at 11:39am

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Oh I didn't know that was on. If thats the case then well maybe its just me calling her thats expensive

When they say BT standard rates that's a con as what they mean is the old national BT standard call tariffs associated with BT Standard Line Rental that has now been abolished (you now have to take BT Option 1 instead on a normal residential line as a minimum). These BT standard national rate tariffs are now only used for the discounted line rental BT Light User Scheme and are 7.91p per minute in the daytime and something like 1.5p per minute in the evening and 1p per minute at the weekend. You won't get the 5.5p for 1 hour deal you get on BT Option 1.

But best to get her to write to the university requesting the formal call tariff sheet so she has a copy when the bill comes in.

You can get her to submit a request to the University under the terms of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 asking them to reveal if there is an underlying geographic phone number to call.

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Re: University of Derby
Reply #21 - Oct 16^th, 2005 at 11:43am

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I am on NTL too and have 1899 so if any work I'll use that too. Why would it be 80 numbers to try? if I'm only replacing the z with digits 0-9 its only 10 tries isn't it or have I missunderstood

Because its 10 times the 8 number blocks given so = 80.

As you are with NTL you might be in luck on the first number even though a BT subscriber wouldn't be.

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Re: University of Derby
Reply #22 - Oct 17^th, 2005 at 2:34pm

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My daughter is not in the halls this weekend so she won't be able to try it just yet but she's told me in order to use the phone for outgoing calls other than internal she has to go and register I think with student services or something so I don't know if she would get a bill every so often or what. So she can't ring me until she's done that to try and see if we can find the geographical number.

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I only just realised what you meant. I thought it was a BT line there but I can try it once she's back in the halls before she even registers the phone then. How do you know the extention will only be 3 of the numbers?

Originally you gave the number as 0870 0407***, so I assumed you meant they were three-digit extensions. Are the internal extensions 3 or 4 digits?

Your daughter doesn't need to be able to make external calls from the room to try the geographical alternatives, although it is easier to test if she is in the room.

I think it's very unlikely that she will receive a quarterly bill. They don't trust students with that, it's usually a pre-paid phonecard service in halls.

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dby416 Newbie Offline Posts: 5	Re: University of Derby Reply #23 - Oct 17^th, 2005 at 9:05pm Have you tried Derby 597xxx or Derby 627xxx xxx being the last 3 digits of the 0870 number
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Re: University of Derby
Reply #24 - Oct 17^th, 2005 at 9:13pm

OK I found out the extention number is 4 digits not 3 and they are not the same as the 0870 numbers last 4. She doesnt ring anything else only the 4 digits to internally call.

Also if she were to register to ring out external calls she has to ring a 4 digit number which is completey different too, followed by a 7 digit account code they would give her on registration followed by a 4 digit pin code. Of course as she hasnt registed she doesn't know these numbers only her own internal one.

Not sure if any of this information would help but should I still try the NTL numbers above but use the extention 4 digits rather than replace the z? or does the info change anything. Would me putting any of the numbers down help?

Thanx everyone

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onesexylady Junior Member Offline Posts: 97 Nottingham Gender:	Re: University of Derby Reply #25 - Oct 17^th, 2005 at 9:19pm hi dby416 No I haven't tried any of the numbers yet the number goes as 0870 040**** so not sure what to do yet. Are you from Derby?
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Dave Global Moderator Offline Posts: 9,902 Yorkshire Gender:	Re: University of Derby Reply #26 - Oct 17^th, 2005 at 9:23pm Going by previous experience of finding numbers for these university systems, where the last few digits of the 0870 aren't the same as the extension it is the extension which should be added to the geographical (although obviously this is not set in stone).
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Re: University of Derby
Reply #27 - Oct 17^th, 2005 at 9:23pm

I would've thought that as the university's main number is Derby 590500

The extensions will be 59xxxx or as the university also has Derby 62xxxx numbers the extensions could be 62xxxx

A simialr thing is in place at Aberdeen University.

The switchboard is Aberdeen 272000

General Departments are Aberdeen 272xxx or 273xxx
274xxx

But all student accomodation phones are Aberdeen 275xxx

within the university taking off the (27) allows internal calls.

The 27 is the DDI prefix to make incoming external calls possible by prefixing an extension with 27 to make a normal callable telephone number.

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dby416 Newbie Offline Posts: 5	Re: University of Derby Reply #28 - Oct 17^th, 2005 at 9:25pm Yes am originally from Derby.
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Dave Global Moderator Offline Posts: 9,902 Yorkshire Gender:	Re: University of Derby Reply #29 - Oct 17^th, 2005 at 9:25pm Quote: I would've thought that as the university's main number is Derby 590500 But the point is that these systems are there to generate revenue with 0870s. I would very suprised if it were this easy. Does Aberdeen use 0870 numbers for each incoming phone line?
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