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1899 from University halls phone?
Oct 14th, 2005 at 4:01pm
 
Would I be able to add my Daughters Derby University room phone to my 1899 bill? its 0870 0407*** has free internal calls apparently and charges at BT national rate to ring out. Of course it's more expensive for me to ring in. Would it be easy to do this as it's an 0870 number and from the University halls? I just didn't want to cause any problems as I think she might have to give her debit card details to ring out and I'm not sure if she could use the pre dial on that phone. What do you think?
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Reply #1 - Oct 14th, 2005 at 4:56pm
 
The 0870 number you call, is not her real number.  There is a geo number that it sits on top of, and it is that number that would get the phone bill, and would appear on any CLI for outgoing calls.  Naturally, I would imagine that the number would be witheld.

Also, as it's part of a switchboard, it would be an internal line, and probably not easy to set up.
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Reply #2 - Oct 14th, 2005 at 5:09pm
 
See my response here.
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Reply #3 - Oct 14th, 2005 at 6:12pm
 
Never register a shared line of any type to an Indirect Access code like this (eg 1899).   Once it's registered all calls from the line (via that access code) will be billed to whoever registered.
The registered number is often likely to be a common number for a group of lines  and calls from any line in the group (eg. anywhere in the Halls) may also be billed to whoever registered.
Doing so might also be prohibited by the University, in the terms on which it provides the telephony service, if that's the only way it's got to avoid ending up with the bill itself.
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Reply #4 - Oct 14th, 2005 at 8:25pm
 
[quote author=joe65  link=1129302114/0#3 date=1129309928]Never register a shared line of any type to a Carrier Pre Select (CPS) code like this (eg 1899).   [/quote]

Hint: 1899 isn't a CPS service - it works by use of a prefix (1899) ;D.
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Reply #5 - Oct 15th, 2005 at 10:40am
 
Well worth looking at a VOIP solution.  All students have a network connection in their room these days and most and run a PC during waking hours.  Skype would be the simplest to setup (you will need it at your end too)  but there are other options possible.

No call charges at all, just a cheap headset to buy if you haven't got one already.

The IT department of the Uni will give you advice on other options such as getting an FWD or VOIPUSER number and running Xlite or a similar softphone. (Free download & free calls between users in the same system).
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Reply #6 - Oct 15th, 2005 at 11:58am
 
When you say no call charges on Skype that is of course to other Skype users,as you mentioned.

Have you seen what they charge to call  NGN and Uk Mobile Numbers?
0870 17p ,Mobiles 24p at all times.24/7.

Google Chat if you both get a couple of  free G-Mail accounts is worth considerig.
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Reply #7 - Oct 15th, 2005 at 4:36pm
 
[quote author=Smasher  link=1129302114/0#4 date=1129317909]

Hint: 1899 isn't a CPS service - it works by use of a prefix (1899) ;D.[/quote]

Well, well. Right enough. So it isn't.    Thanks bigjohn. That'll teach me to show off my misunderstanding of Telecom Industry terminology.  (I wonder why 1899 don't offer the 'convenience' of having the local exchange dial it for you ? )  Let me have another go at getting it right.
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Reply #8 - Oct 15th, 2005 at 4:43pm
 
[quote author=joe65  link=1129302114/0#7 date=1129390593]

Well, well. Right enough. So it isn't.    That'll teach me to show of my misunderstanding of Telecom Industry terminology.  (I wonder why 1899 don't offer the 'convenience' of having the local exchange dial it for you ? )  Let me have another go at getting it right.
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It's because they have to pay a large amount of money for the benefit of CPS on their service and then a couple of quid for each CPS customer who signs up.  For a company like 1899, this wouldn't be worth it and if they did go for CPS, their low call costs would most probably disappear as they would take forever to recover the costs of the CPS setup.
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Reply #9 - Oct 15th, 2005 at 4:57pm
 
[quote author=Smasher  link=1129302114/0#8 date=1129391007]

It's because they have to pay a large amount of money for the benefit of CPS on their service and then a couple of quid for each CPS customer who signs up.  For a company like 1899, this wouldn't be worth it and if they did go for CPS, their low call costs would most probably disappear as they would take forever to recover the costs of the CPS setup.[/quote]

That's perhaps Just as well.
The whole CPS thing (when done automatically at the exchange - [i]instead of dialling the code yourself[/i]) is just another area for taking advantage of a bamboozled joe public.
Perhaps I'll sign up with 1899 then, confident that they aren't going to surreptitiously(sp.) pinch all my calls
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Reply #10 - Oct 16th, 2005 at 9:40am
 
[quote author=joe65  link=1129302114/0#9 date=1129391836]

That's perhaps Just as well.
The whole CPS thing (when done automatically at the exchange - [i]instead of dialling the code yourself[/i]) is just another area for taking advantage of a bamboozled joe public.
Perhaps I'll sign up with 1899 then, confident that they aren't going to surreptitiously(sp.) pinch all my calls[/quote]

It isn't done in a malicious way, unless we're talking about 'slamming' which is when one company suddenly takes over the CPS for your line.  This happened to me and I flatly refused to pay for any of the call charges.  They eventually wrote-off the final bill when I threatened OfCOM and reiterated that I would not be paying a penny.  If they do pinch your calls, then you shouldn't pay for them.  That's what I've done both times and it worked.
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Reply #11 - Oct 16th, 2005 at 6:47pm
 
[quote author=joe65  link=1129302114/0#9 date=1129391836]

That's perhaps Just as well.
The whole CPS thing (when done automatically at the exchange - [i]instead of dialling the code yourself[/i]) is just another area for taking advantage of a bamboozled joe public.
Perhaps I'll sign up with 1899 then, confident that they aren't going to surreptitiously(sp.) pinch all my calls[/quote]

Also for whatever reasons 1899 are more expensive than BT for 0870 and 0845 so you wouldn't want your calls to be routed with them when calling those numbers.  But shysters like the Post Office and TalkTalk still carry these calls due to CPS being in place and then charge more for the privilege than BT.  You can get round this on a CPS line by dialling 1280 to force calls to route with BT but most "Joe Blow" customers aren't aware of any of this.

Strange thing about 1899 is that sister Finarea companies like 18185 and dialaround carry calls to 0870 cheaper than BT.  I can only assume this doesn't happen on 1899 in the hope that customers forget and so they get back some of their cheap fixed 3p calls to 01 and 02 numbers that way?
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Reply #12 - Oct 17th, 2005 at 9:54am
 
Well worth looking at a VOIP solution.  All students have a network connection in their room these days and most and run a PC during waking hours.  Skype would be the simplest to setup (you will need it at your end too)  but there are other options possible. 

My son is at Loughborough Uni, and they banned Skype last year.  Whether that ban has been lifted or not, I don't know, but as he is on broadband, as is my daughter at Leicester Uni, we use MSN Messenger which works very well.
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Reply #13 - Oct 17th, 2005 at 10:02am
 
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My son is at Loughborough Uni, and they banned Skype last year.  Whether that ban has been lifted or not, I don't know, but as he is on broadband, as is my daughter at Leicester Uni, we use MSN Messenger which works very well.

These university phone ripoff merchants will get their come uppance once WiMax outside the university's control starts to become available in a year or so's time.  Then your son will be able to use Voip and the internet without any interference from these restrictive agreements.
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Reply #14 - Oct 17th, 2005 at 11:08am
 
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These university phone ripoff merchants will get their come uppance .


Does anyone know who is going around and selling Universities this concept?  Surely it must be a rip off initiative from only one or two companies?  Presumably the same people who sign up Hospitals?  Do they give the Uni back a cut of the excessive profits?  Who are these guys?
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