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Re: Read the public's 594 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #135 - Nov 23^rd, 2005 at 11:29pm

idb wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2005 at 11:16pm:

Just what have they done to, for example, http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/af/ ? Is this ordering solely designed to confuse? Why can't this shambolic organization employ some competent staff?

Actually, I wonder if they're trying to be helpful. It doesn't say so, but if you compare the lists with my list, you'll see that the latest ones are at the bottom. Each day's additions seem, at first glance, to be in alphabetically ordered blocks ending with the latest.

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Re: Read the public's 594 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #136 - Nov 23^rd, 2005 at 11:51pm

Mr Barnes sums up this consultation quite well at http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/af/BarnesM.pdf

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PS I don’t really believe that this consultation process will change a single thing. You have
probably already made up “The Rules” The consultation is just horse manure
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And this one!!

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/gl/HammersleyN.pdf

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Ditch the 0870 numbers etc, and make people happy. I hope they are not being kept because someone from OFCOM is getting a back hander from each call made!
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Re: Read the public's 503 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #137 - Nov 24^th, 2005 at 12:26am

AJR wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2005 at 11:21pm:

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I'm also concerned about a large number of the named ones that just say Yes, Yes, Yes and just send back the questionnaire form. I suppose a call to the Ofcom switchboard to be asked to be put through to some of those people could be illuminating.

Has anyone checked how many of these there are? It would be interesting to know. I don't think I can check on this while keeping track of new submissions but maybe someone else would like to have a look if they can spare the time.

I will have a go when the consultation has closed and all responses have been published. But for all I know there may be another 2,000 response in the last 10 days depending on what appears in the national newspapers and how many people are putting it off until the last possible moment.

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beginner Newbie Offline Posts: 41	Re: Read the public's 594 comments to Ofcom here.. Reply #138 - Nov 24^th, 2005 at 6:58am Reading thru some responses I noticed this one http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/gl/KhanR.pdf where the resomdent had asked for confidentiality of the whole response - and Ofcom show the lot!!
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Reply #139 - Nov 24^th, 2005 at 9:37am

beginner wrote on Nov 24^th, 2005 at 6:58am:

Reading thru some responses I noticed this one http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/gl/KhanR.pdf
where the resomdent had asked for confidentiality of the whole response - and Ofcom show the lot!!

A total shambles as ever. They still haven't published any 070 consultation responses.

Yet Ofcom strip the email address and/or postal address details of people who would be perfectly happy to have them published in their response. I feel sure their motivation on this is to stop the easy formation of lobbying groups.

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Re: Read the public's 594 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #140 - Nov 24^th, 2005 at 12:56pm

AJR wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2005 at 11:29pm:

Actually, I wonder if they're trying to be helpful. It doesn't say so, but if you compare the lists with my list, you'll see that the latest ones are at the bottom. Each day's additions seem, at first glance, to be in alphabetically ordered blocks ending with the latest.

Accepted that the ordering may well help keeping track of new responses (only just though), however the casual observer looking at the page will wonder why the list seems to be ordered in that way. All it needs is a date field or some other explanation of the seemingly random way the responses have been presented. Ofcom - this is not a difficult concept to grasp.

I note also that at 7:40 EST on Nov 24, all the responses have disappeared. There is a new response page relating to the 070 PNS consultation but that page lists no responses.

I suspect that Ofcom is trying to compete with PITO for the most incompetent organ of government.

For those attending the NTS meeting today, have fun, and let's see if we can rid the UK of these numbers once and for all, and we're looking to NGM to lead this effort. Probably best not to sit between DaveM and andy9 though.

(Only joking).

Happy Thanksgiving from a chilly Florida.

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mc661 Senior Member Offline Habitual FOI requester. Posts: 432 West-Norfolk Gender:	Re: Read the public's 594 comments to Ofcom here.. Reply #141 - Nov 24^th, 2005 at 10:48pm I cant see anything here either. Seems that theyve 'lost' the responses.
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Re: Read the public's 594 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #142 - Nov 25^th, 2005 at 8:11am

idb wrote on Nov 24^th, 2005 at 12:56pm:

AJR wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2005 at 11:29pm:

Actually, I wonder if they're trying to be helpful. It doesn't say so, but if you compare the lists with my list, you'll see that the latest ones are at the bottom. Each day's additions seem, at first glance, to be in alphabetically ordered blocks ending with the latest.

Happy Thanksgiving from a chilly Florida.

Yes, idb, I'm sure we are all feeling much better knowing the way you are suffering in 'chilly Florida'!
Cry

Well, here in tropical UK, the blizzards make such a nice change (from the simple cold and wet), don't you think? Cool

But Merry Xmas to you, anyway!

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AJR

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Re: Read the public's 594 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #143 - Nov 25^th, 2005 at 11:14am

mc661 wrote on Nov 24^th, 2005 at 10:48pm:

I cant see anything here either.

Seems that theyve 'lost' the responses.

Not lost - just hiding!

I've just found that you can still get to them via the sub-folders:

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/af
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/gl
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/mr
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/sz
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/withheld

I haven't checked since they disappeared but I would guess that there are no new ones since the last update as the last Name Withheld is still number 71.

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Reply #144 - Nov 29^th, 2005 at 8:20pm

Another 54 comments added today (Nov 29), making a total of 648.

You can read the comments here: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/

And these are the new ones.

Aiken A
Ashfaq M
Bamford R
Bennett K
Boyland R
Byrne D M
Challis H
Connolly R
Continum Ltd
Cooke J
Corkill J
Dennison H
Dwyer B
Evans R
Finch P
Goffe J
Gray C
Hanns J
Harrison I
Hewson C
Hindley P
Johnson R
Losson N
Martin S
Mciver G
Mussellwhite A
Name Withheld 72
Name Withheld 73
Name Withheld 74
Name Withheld 75
Name Withheld 76
Name Withheld 77
Name Withheld 78
Name Withheld 79
Name Withheld 80
Name Withheld 81
Name Withheld 82
Name Withheld 83
Name Withheld 84
Norfolk D
Poulson M
Prater S
Rogers G
Salmon B
Shenton K A
Sheridan R
Simpson M
Stanton J
Tamayo P
Tilsley J
White C
Williams H
Woods P M
Zaman N

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AJR Full Member Offline Posts: 107	Re: Read the public's 648 comments to Ofcom here.. Reply #145 - Nov 29^th, 2005 at 8:26pm Interesting that Ofcom has published Continum's submission which is marked "In the Strictest Commercial Confidence".
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NonGeographicalMan Ex Member	Re: Read the public's 648 comments to Ofcom here.. Reply #146 - Nov 29^th, 2005 at 9:22pm AJR wrote on Nov 29^th, 2005 at 8:26pm: Interesting that Ofcom has published Continum's submission which is marked "In the Strictest Commercial Confidence". Sssssshhhhhhhhhssssssssssshhhhhhhhh! I hope you have downloaded a copy before it gets removed.
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kk Senior Member Offline Posts: 354 Gender:	Re: Read the public's 648 comments to Ofcom here.. Reply #147 - Nov 29^th, 2005 at 10:42pm Hi AJR For information: I sent my comment, by email, to Ofcom six days ago, but it has not been listed on the site. KK
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Re: Read the public's 648 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #148 - Nov 30^th, 2005 at 7:53am

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Interesting that Ofcom has published Continum's submission which is marked "In the Strictest Commercial Confidence".

Its gone already! Either the mistake was spotted quickly or ofcom are keeping a close eye on these forums! Shocked

Is it very interesting as I'd like to take a look - if anyone can pm it to me I'd appreciate it! Thanks

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There's more of us that them, stick together and challenge 0870/0845 etc etc

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beginner Newbie Offline Posts: 41	Re: Read the public's 648 comments to Ofcom here.. Reply #149 - Nov 30^th, 2005 at 8:15am Which just goes to show what a keen watching interest Ofcom take in this site!!!!! ps gdh82, I have PM'd you, re. conti
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