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Re: Read the public's 59 comments to Ofcom here...
Reply #15 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 7:36am
 
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Isn't that exactly what the Responses page at OfCom does :-
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/


Hi Joe65,

Thanks very much for making a substantial start on creating a thread with links.  As you say, in one sense, it is merely a duplication of the ofcom website.

I was thinking, however, that I could then print out the list on this site and then compare with ofcom site.  That way, because both lists are in the same (very-strange-first-name) order, I can easily spot the new additions.  These could then easily be added to the thread.  To be effective, this thread would have to contain all the responses on the ofcom site but perhaps this could be achieved by a twice weekly update? 

I also think that having the list on the forum does somehow bring it closer (psychologically) and therefore more accessible to users of this site.  I think it'd be best if this list was right at the start of a new thread (which itself could be locked so it remains on the top part of the chat forum) and could include a brief introduction something like, "if you're interested in responding to the ofcom consultation but are unsure where to begin, take a look at the responses so far...".

Such a new thread could further generate discussion on the issues raises so far too.

I think it would be helpful if there was a link to this thread from the countdown clock on the homepage.  And, as I've raised elsewhere, I think this countdown clock could be duplicated on the search screen so it gets noticed by more people.

What do other's think about these points?
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Re: Read the public's 59 comments to Ofcom here...
Reply #16 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 12:24pm
 
Would it make any sense to write a letter to all the major daily newspapers pointing out that Ofcom has a consultation in place and if 'you hate paying for 0870 / 0845 numbers etc etc you should put in a response now before it is too late'? (or words to that effect)

Or do you think that it would  never be published because too many media outlets themselves use NGN?
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Re: Read the public's 59 comments to Ofcom here...
Reply #17 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 1:33pm
 
Hi Mikeincc,

Well, of course it would make sense. It could be possible that your letter would not be published, but hey what have you got to lose?

All publicity for the cause is good, whatever!

Go on - do it (but make sure you send one to every newspaper).
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Re: Read the public's 59 comments to Ofcom here...
Reply #18 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 3:02pm
 
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Thanks very much for making a substantial start on creating a thread with links.  As you say, in one sense, it is merely a duplication of the ofcom website.

I was thinking, however, that I could then print out the list on this site and then compare with ofcom site.

I have the whole list.    The problem is in posting it in this forum.   It won't allow posting such a large file (probably for a very good reason)  & I'm reluctant to clog up the site with with a list that would have to be spread over at least 3 posts and would always be out of date, while the current list is just one click away.    I don't see an easy way to help with identifying new posts.    It's probably just as well for users to download the list themselves from OfCom to keep for comparing later.
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Reply #19 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 7:24pm
 
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I have the whole list.    The problem is in posting it in this forum.   It won't allow posting such a large file (probably for a very good reason)  & I'm reluctant to clog up the site with with a list that would have to be spread over at least 3 posts and would always be out of date, while the current list is just one click away.


Thanks again Joe65 and completely accept your point.  Thanks for trying though. Cheers Garry
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Re: Read the public's 59 comments to Ofcom here...
Reply #20 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 7:33pm
 
That's 126 Responses so far, by today [Fri. 28 October].   

Keep them coming...

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You can read the comments made to Ofcom on 0870 and 0845 numbers here:

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/

When you've read what others are saying, set aside five minutes to e-mail your own comments to: nts@ofcom.org.uk

Or send comments to:
Clive Hillier
Competition and Markets
Fourth Floor
Ofcom
Riverside House
2A Southwark Bridge Road
London SE1 9HA.

Fax: 020 7783 4103

There were 59 comments by midday 24th October.



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Re: Read the public's 126 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #21 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 5:16pm
 
These are new submissions between 26th and 29th October. Haven't yet worked out how to include the links, though.

A Cain
A Grant
A Lee
A Morgan
A Wood
B Gorman
B Houghton
B J Edwards
B Woodroffe
C Gardner
C Hillyard Melia
C Scott
D A Boughton
D Abbott
D Dixon
D Lawton
D MacPhail
D Staple
D Stening
D Wilkinson
D Wood
E Bultitude
E Ekevall
F Auld
G Cole
G Speechley
H Clayton
I Tyabji
J Aitkin
J Dunning
J Fuller
J Horan
J Kilner
J Mortimer
J Sharpe
K A Phillips
K Baker
K Morgan
M Andrews
M Casells
M Grant
M J Bidwell
M McClements
M Morley
M Parker
M Rawlinson
M Reeves
M Rosen
N Hollins
Name Withheld 2
Name Withheld 3
P Bhargava
P Hicking
P Smithson
R Cottrell
R Danielian
R Lodwick
R Nazir
R W Shacklock
S Barrow
S Brown
S Howells
S Trousdale
S Walton
T Sliwka
V Mackenzie
V R O'Neill
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Re: Read the public's 126 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #22 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 7:55pm
 
I must observe is that my response has not yet been published pn the Ofcom website, although I specifically gave them permission to publish it.

I have suspected previously with their other consultations extremely strongly that Ofcom do not publish and indeed do not count all of the submissions to their consultations within the mickey mouse numbers of supposed responses which they claim afterwards. This is cunningly so that they can then claim that only a few consumers complained. I suspect that the number of respondents whom they conceal is as much a one quarter of the number which they receive! It may be an even greater proportion?
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Re: Read the public's 126 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #23 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 1:40pm
 
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I must observe is that my response has not yet been published pn the Ofcom website, although I specifically gave them permission to publish it.


How long has it been since you submitted your response, Dorf?  And is it possible to get Ofcom to confirm receipt of your response, even if it hasn't been displayed?  Possibily they also give an average time between receiving (and vetting?) and posting responses, and how do they decide responses that don't indicate either way if they're happy to be published or not?
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Re: Read the public's 126 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #24 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 5:01pm
 
Hi gdh82,

Ofcom evidently do not confirm receipt of any responses.

However mine has been published now so no problem any longer.
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Reply #25 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 9:11pm
 
Hi Dorf,

Glad to hear you response has finally been posted - perhaps another example of Ofcom monitoring this site  Wink
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Reply #26 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 2:56pm
 
Shocked Shock ! Horror!  Ofcom seem to be getting organised!!!!!

In line with the rest of the world Ofcom has belatedly listed replies to the current consultation in surname order including alphabetic splits (a-f, g-l, m-r, s-z), after intially listing responses by first initial of first name!?

Common sense prevails ?  Or has big brother Ofcom been watching us ?  Lips Sealed
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Re: Read the public's 157 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #27 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 4:04pm
 
There are 31 new submissions on the Ofcom website today (Nov 3). This is a list of the new ones.

Anker J
Beath I
Blackmore J
Cryer A
Futter J
Greenstein R
Gregg R
Gupta S
Hunt S
Hutchins N
Kelly D
Kemp A J
Maddocks D
McDonald M
Mcloughlin W
O'Rourke B Dr
Ogilvie G A
Oracle Financial Services
Orton B P
Pengelly H
Perry H G
Renton C
Rice A
Richards M
Rolfe P
Shiekh M
Soffe M D
Stokes S
Sykes P
Thurley K
Underwood R
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Re: Read the public's 157 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #28 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 4:39pm
 
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There are 31 new submissions on the Ofcom website today (Nov 3). This is a list of the new ones.
Thanks for providing this list - it is invaluable in identifying new responses.

I just love this one:

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/af/futter.pdf

which includes the following:

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Therefore I am at a loss to understand why Ofcom have still not taken action, it is 12 years since this all started and no action has been taken whatsoever. Ofcom are there to protect the consumer but seem to have done nothing for the consumer in these 12 years.
>>

So true!
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Reply #29 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 6:26pm
 
Yeah, great job AJR - thanks for helping keep track of the latest responses.
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