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Re: Read the public's 185 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #45 - Nov 7th, 2005 at 7:30pm
 
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About 80 responses in total last time and about 30 from companies like BT and NTL plus various Associations and Consumer Groups.
Glad to see we are making a lot of progress. Ofcom will need better excuses this time round if they plan on not doing much.
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Re: Read the public's 185 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #46 - Nov 7th, 2005 at 7:46pm
 
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Glad to see we are making a lot of progress. Ofcom will need better excuses this time round if they plan on not doing much.


Except that a lot of responses just say well done Ofcom on doing something about 0870.  Even though that something won't happen till one year after whatever date Ofcom announces as being the start of the one year to end of 0870 revenue sharing clock date (so perhaps they will announce next July that the one year clock will start to run down beginning in December 2006 and ending in December 2007 Roll Eyes).

Also most people completely miss the 3 to 4 year delay on 0845 outrage and fail to say it is a total outrage that 0844 and 0871 be retained as revenue share codes and are not forced to move to 09 where they belong.

Also people fail to say it is an outrage that 07 PNS isn't reviewed within this NTS consultation.

I wonder if Ofcom employees have been asking all their friends to respond saying how great these proposal are.  After all we know how Ofcom always likes everything to turn out the way that best suits the interests of the telecoms industry. Roll Eyes
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Re: Read the public's 185 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #47 - Nov 7th, 2005 at 7:49pm
 
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After all we know how Ofcom always likes everything to turn out the way that best suits the interests of the telecoms industry. Roll Eyes
That is true.  It's probably because of the clever way they have written their summary report.  Unless you read the 200+ document you don't know the whole truth and ofcom knows that most people aren't going to read a 200+ page document.
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Reply #48 - Nov 7th, 2005 at 8:10pm
 
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It's probably because of the clever way they have written their summary report.  Unless you read the 200+ document you don't know the whole truth and ofcom knows that most people aren't going to read a 200+ page document.


Aren't they the supposed to be the
Communications
Regulator though.  The way they behave anyone would think they were the legal regualtor as all of their so called consultation documents are masterpieces in obfuscation and not communicating!
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Re: Read the public's 185 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #49 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 5:20pm
 
There are 96 new submissions on the Ofcom website at 5pm today (Nov 9), making a total of 281. The new ones are listed below.

(And here's a reminder of where you can read the comments: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/)

Abayomi-Cole B
Allely N
Alton WS
Anderson A
Anderson C
Ansell J
Archdale G
Ashton M D
Atkins A
Baker T
Bassett Herron
Bell C
Birkin R
Bligh S
Bobroff D
Borrinsky J
Brewer H
Buckland Q
Catlow Dr R E  (but listed alphabetically as Dr R E Catlow)
Chamberlain B
Chambers K
Clark P
Cline P
Coady T
Cohen I
Cooke K
Coughlan T
Cox D
Cunningham D
Dakin N
Darkwolf K
David E
Dawson A
Dunning A
Dyer S
Emery L
Fawthrop L
Foy D
Garland R
Gaselee J
Giles D  (again)
Grossman R
Hamilton-Meikle G
Hartley B
Heaps D
Hough B
Hubbard J
Jay SA
Kaltz M
Kirkham R
Lopiate D
Lowden I
Macdonald A
Marriott J
Masson T
Mccarten J
Morris-Coole M
Murphy V
Name Withheld 5
Nethersole P
Newton M
Ormerod A
Peacock K
Pedrick C
Pitts D
Radford C
Raja M
Reilly S
Richardson K
Robinson G
Russell S
Seale I
Scott G E (but listed alphabetically as G E Scott)
Sedman C
Sim N
Skerrit R
Smith J
Solanki K
Stocking Z
Syree L
Taylor C
Taylor P
Terry A J
Thomas T
Trimmer BJ
Trotter M
Tuttle G
Tye C
Waldman P
Walker C
Warman BM
West H
White BJ
White T
Whittles P
Wilson G
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Re: Read the public's 185 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #50 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 5:35pm
 
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There are 96 new submissions on the Ofcom website at 5pm today (Nov 9), making a total of 281. The new ones are listed below. [...]
Thanks again for providing the updated names. You're doing something that Ofcom should do! Very helpful indeed.
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Reply #51 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 11:40pm
 
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There are 96 new submissions on the Ofcom website at 5pm today (Nov 9), making a total of 281. The new ones are listed below. 

(And here's a reminder of where you can read the comments: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/)


Thanks again for your useful posts, Ajr!

The total number of responses increased by nearly a hundred since last count - quite a jump. Hope it continues and some more!!!! Wink
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Reply #52 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 2:27pm
 
There were 309 submissions on the Ofcom website at 2pm today (Nov 10), an increase of 28 since 5pm on Nov 9. The new ones are listed below. 

(And here's a reminder of where you can read the comments: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/)

Alder I
Atkins G
Bird R
Dovey M G
Flanders J
Forbes L
Grogan B
Hadi F
Harley L
Hedderly J
Hilton M
Hitchins J
Irwin J
Johnson A
Josephs J
Kerfoot A
Knight R
Leckie H
Lee P
Main-Ian B
McNulty R Y
Mistry D
Name Withheld 6
Name Withheld 7
Pennington J
Plumbe M
Robson T
Robson T
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Reply #53 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 3:32pm
 
It seems to be heading for the thousand that I was hoping for, rather than a bit over a hundred as others suggested.
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Reply #54 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 3:43pm
 
I hope you are right andy9, and that your hoped for target of 1000 is met. That would be extremely good, and I suspect most of the contributors to this forum would be very pleased.
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Reply #55 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 4:04pm
 
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I hope you are right andy9, and that your hoped for target of 1000 is met. That would be extremely good, and I suspect most of the contributors to this forum would be very pleased.
Indeed. Five hundred would be good, but a thousand is certainly more than I envisaged.

One encouraging aspect is that the responses are not all boilerplate replies.
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Reply #56 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 4:11pm
 
well, an increase of 30 a day, and picking up momentum ... who knows ...
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Reply #57 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 4:29pm
 
One of the best way of increasing the numbers is by doing a mass e-mailout to the 4,800+ SayNoTo0870 forum members encouraging them not only to reply to the consultion but also to forward the email to others.  Imagine if 2,000 members forward the email to just another 20 people - already 40,000 become aware of the consultation opportunity!   


I know I've raised this before  (CLICK HERE)
and at the risk of sounding impaitent, does anyone know how close we are to sending something out? I understand Forum Admin is intending to look at an e-mailout once he's completed the software upgrade (which I appreciate is a BIG job).


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Reply #58 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 3:28pm
 
There were 383 submissions on the Ofcom website at 3pm today (Nov 11), an increase of 74 since 2pm on Nov 10. The new ones are listed below. 

(And here's a reminder of where you can read the comments: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/)

Abrol R
Austin R
Baker E
Baldwin S
Blum E E
Bone T
Brigden T
Brooks R
Bruff N
Bruin K
Cameron P
Currier G
Davies M
Elston M
Etherington B
Fitzgerald T
Fraser B
Freeman N
Freeman W
Gamlen J
Gardner G
Gill S
Gray R
Hacking I
Hall R
Harmer D
Harris J
Hopkinson R G
Hyams C
Inglis F
Jackson S
Johnston A
Katz A J
Kay E
Keir S
Mactaggart M
McDonald J
McKeon F J
Morley D
Morris G
Murphy W
Name Withheld 10
Name Withheld 11
Name Withheld 12
Name Withheld 13
Name Withheld 14
Name Withheld 15
Name Withheld 16
Name Withheld 17
Name Withheld 18
Name Withheld 8
Name Withheld 9
Ockwell D
Passmore J
Pope J
Rapport Telebusiness Consulting
Reeks P
Robbie R H
Robinson D
Sandland L
Sargent S J
Soobhany S
Taylor P
Temkin M
Thomas-Webster N
Thorpe G
Trebilcock R J
Vivian H
Waylett R
Whiteley J
Williamson P
Winks K
Wood J
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Re: Read the public's 383 comments to Ofcom here..
Reply #59 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 7:47pm
 
This is an interesting one:

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/mr/rapport.pdf

Includes the following (note this is not the complete response) [my bold]:

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The proposal seems ill thought through and as usual with such cases, is driven by a highly vocal but minute lobby group who are totally unrepresentative of the general population.

As Marketing Manager at Cable & Wireless in the mid 90's, I was the first to introduce such a revenue share scheme as part of the "TeleBusiness Addvantage" pricing package for non-geographic numbers.

It was my view at the time, and still is, that in industries where the customer and competition is increasingly driving down costs of products and services, that some of that 0870 revenue should be returned to the company who was ultimately generating it (the corporate user).

In conditions nowadays when margins are even thinner in e.g. the travel industry, the small revenue shares available are barely sufficient to justify keeping helpdesks etc in operation. It's my firm view that abolishing revenue share on existing 0870 numbers will have a direct impact on the viability of such businesses along with companies that are currently able to provide complete services on the back of National rate numbers.

In conclusion, I do not believe it is Ofcom's remit to decide how Telco's distribute the profit they make from services that they provide to a public that is (generally) completely happy to use them.
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