bloggs wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2005 at 6:42pm:


You now give yourself away as an industry person with the use of the industry jargon "terminating call providers" and "revenue share".

What you have just proposed was Ofcom's preferred Option 2 in their last consultation which was given a resounding rasperry by the vast majority of respondents including BT.  You are asking for so called "increased granularity" in the 084/7 pricing structure.

This won't work because the abusive BT and the abusive Ofcom have allowed the public to be mistrained for years that 084 and 087 are just ordinary local and national rate.  In fact that is point one in the staff mistraining manual that you and your 084/7 number misselling friends give to the dumb call centre staff to answer any complaint about the cost of 084/7 calls.

It is because the public don't realise they are paying a revenue share that these numbers that they must all be compulsorily moved to number starting 09 to alert the public to that fact that they are paying extra for these calls.  In addition there must also be compulsory call price announcements of the call cost per minute.

Perhaps you can now reveal who you work for and the purpose of your deliberate wind up in this forum?

bloggs wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2005 at 6:53pm:

Elementary! 

Dave wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2005 at 6:56pm:


I missed a point: If revenue share was banned, but TCP's were allowed to set their own rate, would you still complain?

Surely, with revenue share confined only to 09x, 08 numbers would be a less thorny issue?

bloggs wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2005 at 7:22pm:

Why exactly does a bank or insurance company need a revenue share? Why does it have carte blanche to charge me extra to call than calling a UK landline on a geographical number? Why is it cheaper to call companies abroad from the UK than it is to call UK companies from the UK?

The whole point of the National Telephone Numbering Plan was to have RS (premium) numbers prefixed 09.

084 was local and 087 was national rate, was it not? The regulator and the telecoms companies must have known full well that if prices of geographical calls was to fall (as it would do with competition), then there would be a problem with these numbers and the charging arrangements.

The excuse that revenue sharing is different to "premium rate" is just some rubbish drawn up by the regulator. Infact, the regulator regards 084/087 services as value-added services. I have yet to have one company admit to me that it receives revenue and thus provides a 'value-added' service to me.

You started off this thread by saying you didn't want revenue share banned from 084/7 because it would mean that you would have to pay for your calls to be rerouted.  Have you now changed your mind then?

Yes if revenue share was completely banned from 08 and 070 number ranges and all revenue share was only allowed on 09 with compulsory pence per minute price announcements, and with line subscribers having to request that 09 service on their line be activated, and with a PIN number being needed to make any 09 call, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

But I doubt all the people you currently con into calling your 0870 number by telling them it is national rate would be as easily conned about an 09 number with compulsory call price announcements and call access under the control of the line subscriber.

So you admit that this is in fact Ofcom's underhanded stealth intention then?  Ban revenue share but not make the calls any cheaper so the bloated and fat telcos get even cheaper and the mobile phone ripoff to 084/7 gets even worse.  Since you seem to have read so many consultation responses and used the deliberate red herring of pretending that you had your own 0870 number for call redirection to start this dialogue can you now reveal who is your employer.

But to clarify I am totally opposed to 084/7 calls costing the caller any more than for a geographic call.  The fact that revenue share abolition is required as part of this is incidental.  The fact is that I want it made totally illegal by Ofcom for 084/7 calls to cost the caller any more than an 01/02 call at his phone providers's tariff (including mobile phone providers) for geographic numbers.  I don't give a damn about TCPs, Transit TCP or any of the rest of your disgusting telco industry scam talk.  All I care about is that 084/7 calls turn back into normal price calls.  Anyone who wants to charge the caller more than their geographic rate must use 09.

Also all the consultation responses I have read indicate that the respondents are very unhappy indeed about being charged more for 01/02 calls and that the revenue share business is not in fact their major concern.