Part of 070 1XXX is charged at pn2. This is charged at 50p per minute at all times from a BT residential line.
Perhaps the volume of traffic to such a "service" does not warrant connection on the part of Finarea companies.

brainbox wrote on Apr 4^th, 2006 at 8:34am:


Excuse me for asking but why would you have such a number?

I wonder if you perhaps have a friend who owns a PNS company and by calling at 15p per minute were then getting say 22p per minute back in your own pocket for calling it.

I always knew that Finarea offering a flat rate of 15p per minute to all PNS numbers couldn't last when this was way above the cost price of calling these numbers.  It seems odd that they can't manage to offer a different rate to each PNS code and then add whatever standard markup they need to make a profit.

brainbox wrote on Apr 6^th, 2006 at 9:26am:


There are far cheaper PNS's around for redirecting to mobiles or you could get a geographic Voip number from www.sipgate.co.uk and pay yourself for that to be redirected to your mobile when required.

I am surprised anyone is prepared to call you at 50p per minute!

trevord wrote on Apr 6^th, 2006 at 11:01am:


I don't think there are any 0845s available that will redirect to any uk mobile phone free of charge?  I'm not sure about 0870s.  I do know that the PNS d rate will redirect to uk mobiles (but not foreign mobiles for which k rate PNS is needed) and is a lot cheaper than 50p per minute.

trevord wrote on Apr 6^th, 2006 at 12:44pm:


Brainbox seeks not to pay the cost of forwarding to a mobile himself but to get his caller to pay the redirection cost instead.  Hence him using PNS.

However with mobile number porting readily available I can't for the life of me see why he needs an 07 PNS number and can't simply Port his mobile number from one mobile provider to the next when he finds a better deal?  Using a k rate PNS for a Liechtenstein mobile number if I am abroad does seem possiby a legitimate thing to do as its very hard to persuade people that calling a Liechtenstein mobile using a dial through service like www.ratebuster.co.uk is either an easy or relatively cheap thing to do.  However with my new Sipura SPA 3000 I should be able to get the Voip box to do the redialling using Ratebuster instead.  Plus I would pick up the 7p per minute forwarding cost.

Dave wrote on Apr 6^th, 2006 at 1:15pm:


Surely he could Port his number out to the network with the next best deal after staying with his own network after ending the contract with them and starting a new one on another number?

It seems that Brainbox's getting the very cheapest mobile line rental and outgoing call prices comes at a fearfully high price for those who need to call him!

Or as I suggested before he could get a Voip number with Sipgate and he could pay the mobile forwarding cost when he was unable to be logged into Sipgate on a broadband connection.

It seems that brainbox may not be so brainy after all?

Here's how I currently get around that problem. It is necessary to understand my phones are for business, with social calls as an extra. It's my firm and so therefore my bills.........

1 - I have a normal BT landline. Advertised number
2 - A box, explained on their site, purchased from Burnside Telecom (www.burnsidetelecom.co.uk) £300
3 - An 0800 number from Dolphin Communications (www.call08.com) £5 + vat monthly  Advertised number
4 - A 12 month contract O2 phone from www.phones2udirect.co.uk. This is a Free Line Rental contract, subject to conditions.
5 - My contract Orange that is the target phone.  Advertised number

Here goes.........

The customer can ring the 0800, which is sent to the BT phone. I get 800 mins per month inc for my £5.85. Then any extra at 2p per min any time of day.
The Burnside box has the 12 month Free line rental chip in it. This box sits between the wall connection and the landphone.
The 12 month chip has 200 inc mins + 100 inc texts monthly, BUT doubled for the first 3 months.
The box, when set up correctly, diverts the call to my mobile (or any other phone), using the inc mins.

You have to bear in mind BT call divert is about 19p per min + a monthly service fee of about £3.

So........
Assuming I use the inc mins correctly (and get another contract when I start to exceed those mins)

Year 1
Box        = £300.00              (I can even change the divert target by text whilst out on the road)
0800      = £  70.20
Bt line    = £126.00
Inc mins = FREE

So 9600 mins per year, 800 * 12months (160 hrs, 6.6.... whole days) diverted to the mobile £496.20. ALL TAX DEDUCTABLE
Sell the phone for about £40 (anyone want a Motorola V220?) cash in pocket.

The BT route would cost 9600*0.19= £1824 + line rental £126 + service charges of £36. Total £1986
At the end of the 12 months, I'd have no phones to sell, no magic box, and the prospect of the same cost, at least, next year.
I know that's tax deductable also, but look at the money I would get to keep for myself, even after paying tax on the difference.

So customer has the option of 0800 free from landline
or mobile number, using thei inc mins
or the Bt number if they didn't get the others.

I don't miss a customer, and hopefully gain more by using the 0800.

Oh yes. And using the landphone, dialing a mobile goes out via the box using the inclusive mins, so that call is free.
I can text using the landphone, or usb the box to the computer to write the text. This then also goes out via the box. Free.
I can ring the mobile chip in the box, and after it's been programmed, it will go out via the landline. Not sure why I would want that, but I'll figure a way to use it to an advantage.

Did I make that sound easy? It works for me anyway

Extra info
I use Voipstunt (www.voipstunt.com) to make all my landline and international land calls from home. Approx £8.12 for 4 months, or £2.03 monthly for unlimted calls to about 50 countries, of which at the end of the 4 months, I can have a 48 minute chat to the bird in Hungary on her mobile, just to use the credit.
I use the various 1899, 18185 etc to dial the 08** numbers
Is there anything I've missed to get my calls any cheaper? If so, please tell me.