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Ireland 353?
May 17th, 2006 at 11:33am
 
Hi,

Can someone please explain this from the 1899 site?      

ireland (landline)      1
ireland [national rate] (landline & mobile)      15

prices are pence per minute, but what is the difference between  (landline) and [national rate], besides the obvious 14p,  the number I am wanting to dial is, +353 14502113, and obviously there is a big difference between the 2 charges.

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Reply #1 - May 17th, 2006 at 12:37pm
 
National Rate equals 0870, perhaps?
Turning the whole business of what to call numbers on it's head if this is so!!

(And let's have no Irish jokes!!)
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Reply #2 - May 17th, 2006 at 1:25pm
 
omy wrote on May 17th, 2006 at 12:37pm:
National Rate equals 0870, perhaps?
Turning the whole business of what to call numbers on it's head if this is so!!

(And let's have no Irish jokes!!)



Thanks, already thought of that, but it is no good perhapsing, because of the price difference, and I know that there is the price tarrif message, but if it is answered before the message kicks in, (and it does happen if the phone is answered immediately) then I will not know what it has cost until after the call and it could be a long one.
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Reply #3 - May 17th, 2006 at 3:20pm
 
The telecommunications regulator in Ireland is ComReg.

This document is about numbering conventions in Ireland.
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11.2.4 Freephone Usage
Network operators shall not charge originating callers for calls to Freephone (1800) numbers if originated in Ireland, regardless of which network operators, service providers or Freephone number holders are involved in the calls.

Pity Ofcom couldn't enforce something like this.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #4 - May 17th, 2006 at 3:40pm
 
Dave wrote on May 17th, 2006 at 3:20pm:
The telecommunications regulator in Ireland is ComReg.

This document is about numbering conventions in Ireland.
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11.2.4 Freephone Usage
Network operators shall not charge originating callers for calls to Freephone (1800) numbers if originated in Ireland, regardless of which network operators, service providers or Freephone number holders are involved in the calls.

Pity Ofcom couldn't enforce something like this.  Roll Eyes


Yes it is, but it doesn't answer my question  Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - May 17th, 2006 at 3:49pm
 
No, it doesn't because the term 'national rate' does not appear in that document.

I would have said numbers starting 1850 and 1890 were such (i.e. their equivalent of our 0870) but then I read: Quote:
Those commencing with ‘0’ can be dialled from abroad by dropping the leading ‘0’ and adding
international access digits, whereas those commencing with ‘1’ cannot (currently) be directly accessed from abroad.
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Reply #6 - May 17th, 2006 at 3:50pm
 
See this document for Irish numbering plan. 01 is the code for Dublin.
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Reply #7 - May 17th, 2006 at 3:57pm
 
Dave wrote on May 17th, 2006 at 3:50pm:
See this document for Irish numbering plan. 01 is the code for Dublin.


I still cannot fathom the cost of a call to +35314502113 , this is the info relating to "053" 
053 A South East Area 5 Wexford
so where would I find the call charge Huh
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Reply #8 - May 17th, 2006 at 4:06pm
 
derrick wrote on May 17th, 2006 at 3:57pm:
I still cannot fathom the cost of a call to +35314502113 , this is the info relating to "053" 
053 A South East Area 5 Wexford
so where would I find the call charge Huh

The international code for Ireland is 353, thus the STD code and local number is 01 4502113 which is Dublin.  Wink
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Reply #9 - May 17th, 2006 at 4:10pm
 
Dave wrote on May 17th, 2006 at 4:06pm:
derrick wrote on May 17th, 2006 at 3:57pm:
I still cannot fathom the cost of a call to +35314502113 , this is the info relating to "053" 
053 A South East Area 5 Wexford
so where would I find the call charge Huh

The international code for Ireland is 353, thus the STD code and local number is 01 4502113 which is Dublin.  Wink


O K , I could not fathom how the 01 came into play because if it was Southern Ireland it would cost more.

I got this:-   03531 4502113
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BT have not yet specified a rate for calls to this code - it may not yet be in service.

From here:-  http://www.ukphoneinfo.com/cgi-bin-Phones/nng?GNG=035314502113&Submit=Submit

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Reply #10 - May 17th, 2006 at 4:17pm
 
derrick wrote on May 17th, 2006 at 4:10pm:
O K , I could not fathom how the 01 came into play because if it was Southern Ireland it would cost more.

Why would it? Charges for [geographical] numbers in Republic of Ireland should be all the same. Dublin is in the Irish Republic and not Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is part of the UK numbering scheme with the code 028. The Republic is another country.

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I got this:-   03531 4502113
Geographic expansion

BT have not yet specified a rate for calls to this code - it may not yet be in service.

From here:-  http://www.ukphoneinfo.com/cgi-bin-Phones/nng?GNG=035314502113&Submit=Submit

The UK Phone Info site is for UK telephone numbers. What you have done is looked up a UK prefix (if it existed), i.e. +44 3531452113 instead of +353 1452113. I have left a space to differentiate between the international codes and national numbers.
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Reply #11 - May 17th, 2006 at 4:25pm
 
No, I entered 035314502113, which if you click on the link will show you in the top left corner, and therefore should not matter if it is a UK number, as you say N Ireland is part of the UK

I think I have got it now, I just could not see whether it was S or N Ireland, because as i said there is a difference in cost

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Reply #12 - May 17th, 2006 at 4:37pm
 
          
This, below, from here:- http://www.ukphoneinfo.com/cgi-bin-Phones/nng?GNG=014502113&Submit=Submit

suggests the number does not exist


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01450 2113
Hawick

Section: Codes in Range 1000-1999 (Mainly Geographic, Convention B3)

Warning: Numbers starting 01450 21 are probably not valid.

Oftel records show that numbers starting 01450 21 are protected from allocation . Where numbering capacity has been withdrawn from service, the block or code is sterilised for a period, typically 2 years. Alternatively the Oftel Numbering Unit might protect capacity for a limited period, to avoid dialling errors into similar codes. Oftel's last recorded change for this number range was in February 2006.

A table of the code allocations for other numbers starting 01450 is available

01450 2113 may be on one of the following exchanges in this area:

    * Bonchester Bridge 01450
    * Borthwickbrae 01450
    * Denholm 01450
    * Hawick 01450
    * Teviotdale 01450

Charges to Geographic codes

Notes:

    * BT prices are given for calls from Residential and Business lines.
    * Calls which are charged according to their duration are measured to a fraction of a second, the price rounded down to the nearest 0.1p and subject to a minimum charge of 4.2p.
    * Any applicable discounts (for option schemes, Friends & Family etc.) and limited period special offers should then be applied and then VAT added.
    * The prices quoted are those generally applicable as from 20 Dec 2000 with pricing for some number ranges effective at various dates upto 17 Dec 2002 according to Section 2 (Parts: 1 and 10) of the version of the BT Price List available on the Web - with changes last noted 20 Dec 2002 .

For more details, including charges made by other operators, see UK Telephone Tariff Comparisons

For more precise details refer to Telephone Charging Rates for an explanation which includes information about charge groups and how they work.
Area served by 01450
Approximate location

Grid ref: NT5114
Latitude: 55° 25' N
Longitude: 2° 46' W

The UK Street Map Page can display a detailed map of the area requested, provided it is within the area it covers. (It currently excludes Northern Ireland.)
Distance to principal towns/cities

    * 60 km NNE of Carlisle
    * 65 km SSE of Edinburgh

Nearby area codes listed by increasing distance

    * 01750 Selkirk about 15 km to the NW
    * 01835 St Boswells about 16 km to the NE
    * 01896 Galashiels about 24 km to the NNW
    * 01573 Kelso about 27 km to the NE
    * 01578 Lauder about 34 km to the N
    * 01721 Peebles about 39 km to the NW
    * 01830 Kirkwhelpington about 43 km to the ESE
    * 01890 1 Coldstream/Ayton National Dialling about 43 km to the NE
    * 01890 2 Coldstream about 43 km to the NE
    * 01890 3 Coldstream about 43 km to the NE
    * 01890 4 Coldstream about 43 km to the NE
    * 01890 9 Ayton about 43 km to the NE
    * 01890 8 Coldstream about 43 km to the NE
    * 01890 7 Ayton about 43 km to the NE
    * 01890 0 Coldstream/Ayton National Dialling about 43 km to the NE
    * 01890 6 Ayton about 43 km to the NE
    * 01890 5 Ayton about 43 km to the NE
    * 01683 Moffat about 45 km to the WSW
    * 01576 Lockerbie about 49 km to the SW
    * 01361 Duns about 50 km to the NNE
    * 01899 Biggar about 51 km to the WNW
    * 01968 Penicuik about 52 km to the NW
    * 01697 0 Not in Use about 53 km to the S
    * 01697 1 Not in Use about 53 km to the S
    * 01697 2 Not in Use about 53 km to the S

    The information is © Crown Copyright and is published as required by the Numbering Conventions. It may be reproduced with due acknowledgement of the source of the information. Request for commercial publication of the lists should be made to HMSO. No responsibility is accepted for any errors which may be introduced as a result of any such reproduction.

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Reply #13 - May 17th, 2006 at 6:05pm
 
Hi there!

I telephone a company in Ireland with a number from time to time, with the prefix:

00353 818******

Using Alpha Telecom, I get charged 2p per minute.

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Reply #14 - May 17th, 2006 at 8:55pm
 
+353 14502*** does exist, and by the looks of it, it is the equivilent of 0870.

This is for Neff product support, and you can't imagine a company like that missing an opportunity.
http://www.bshappliancecare.com/Neff/index.html
08702 413383
or 08705 678910
For Ireland call 00 353 1450 2655

1450 2***
91* = Dublin 24
96* +97* +59* +57*= dublin 12
87* +75* = dub 24
Although looking around at various sites with 1450 ****, nobody is showing anything about costs, not even "national rate"
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