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Reply #30 - May 19^th, 2006 at 10:13am

To save any more time, I've just dialled 18990035314502113 from my BT residential landline.

The 1899 tariff announcement told me the call was going to cost me "One Pea Per Minute". Of course, 1899's 3p connection charge has to be added to that.

Reading those pdf files previously posted, it appears 1850 is the Irish equivalent of our 0870 so-called 'National Rate' code. Hence, a call to 18990035918502113 would be charged at 15p/minute.

1450 appears to be the Irish equivalent of our 0845 and so does not fall into 1899's 'National Rate' definition and so is charged as if it is a geographic number.

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derrick Supreme Member Offline Posts: 1,124	Re: Ireland 353? Reply #31 - May 19^th, 2006 at 12:17pm Thanks Heinz, but if, "1450 appears to be the Irish equivalent of our 0845 and so does not fall into 1899's 'National Rate' definition and so is charged as if it is a geographic number." why is it 1p per minute and not 0p per minute as a geographical number is charged via 1899?
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Reply #32 - May 19^th, 2006 at 1:32pm

derrick, Heinz is referring to 1850, not 01450.

I think that the 1850 type number is not the same as 01850. 1850 is a prefix type number in Ireland like 118 and other numbers beginning 1 are in this country. Thus, I doubt that you will be able to dial such numbers from abroad.

If you go to the number allocations lookup, and put 01 in the STD field and 8501234 into the Specific number field, the result shows that this is another Dublin Central geographical number allocated Eircom.

So, whilst in Ireland I can pick up the telephone and call a premium rate service on 1850 1234 (this number is an example and in practice numbers may be shorter/longer than this).

I can also call someone in Dublin on 01 8501234

So when I call +35318501234 from the UK, I will be connected to the second, Dublin, number and NOT the premium rate one!

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Reply #33 - May 19^th, 2006 at 1:48pm

Dave wrote on May 19^th, 2006 at 1:32pm:

derrick, Heinz is referring to 1850, not 01450.

Not in relation to the quote I pulled from Heinz's quote:- "1450 appears to be the Irish equivalent of our 0845 and so does not fall into 1899's 'National Rate' definition and

so is charged as if it is a geographic number."

Heinz wrote on May 19^th, 2006 at 10:13am:

To save any more time, I've just dialled 18990035314502113 from my BT residential landline.

The 1899 tariff announcement told me the call was going to cost me "One Pea Per Minute". Of course, 1899's 3p connection charge has to be added to that.

Reading those pdf files previously posted, it appears 1850 is the Irish equivalent of our 0870 so-called 'National Rate' code. Hence, a call to 18990035918502113 would be charged at 15p/minute.
1450 appears to be the Irish equivalent of our 0845 and so does not fall into 1899's 'National Rate' definition and so is charged as if it is a geographic number.

I'll get my

white

coat now.

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Reply #34 - May 19^th, 2006 at 2:00pm

derrick wrote on May 19^th, 2006 at 1:48pm:

1450 appears to be the Irish equivalent of our 0845 and so does not fall into 1899's 'National Rate' definition and so is charged as if it is a geographic number.

I'll get my

white

coat now.

But how can you call Irish 1450 numbers from outside Ireland?

Read my post above. From within Ireland, a number beginning 1450 is NOT the same as one beginning 01450. Thus, when you call +3531450.... etc from outside Ireland, you will be connected to the 01450 (DUBLIN) one and not the 1450 one.

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derrick Supreme Member Offline Posts: 1,124	Re: Ireland 353? Reply #35 - May 19^th, 2006 at 2:02pm Right I give up, my original Q cannot be answered and I accept that
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Reply #36 - May 19^th, 2006 at 2:08pm

derrick wrote on May 19^th, 2006 at 2:02pm:

Right I give up, my original Q cannot be answered and I accept that Lips Sealed

But the original question has been answered. The number you are calling is a geographical Dublin number. This has nothing to do with the 1450 prefix as the Microsoft website shows a 0 at the beginning of the number. ANY number in Ireland beginning 01.... etc is a Dublin number. Thus, to call such a number from outside Ireland you dial +3531.... etc. Simple.

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Reply #37 - May 19^th, 2006 at 3:07pm

derrick wrote on May 19^th, 2006 at 12:17pm:

Thanks Heinz, but if,
"1450 appears to be the Irish equivalent of our 0845 and so does not fall into 1899's 'National Rate' definition and

so is charged as if it is a geographic number."

why is it 1p per minute and not 0p per minute as a geographical number is charged via 1899?

Because, if it was possible to call one of their 1450 numbers from outside the country (it doesn't appear it is), you'd be making an international call to what is treated as an Irish geographical number - for which 1899 charge 1p/minute (1899 only charge 'zero pea per minute' for calls to UK geographical numbers).

In any case, it doesn't matter because it's been established that the number you want is Dublin 01 450 2113 and, because international callers have to drop the leading zero in Irish codes (just as callers into the UK have to), you'll be dialling 1899 00 353 1 450 2113 and paying 3p connection and 1p/minute.

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Reply #38 - May 22^nd, 2006 at 1:21am

Having just read all this rather protracted semi-comedy, I think I must apologise for not having been here for a couple of days. The number looked familiar when I first saw it in the thread, so I could tell part of what was coming

You seem to have got there in the end, but I will explain how the number got in the database in the first place.

There were queries for any Microsoft geographic number, but nobody had any info, except that it might be Reading. I noticed that when I called Microsoft UK's advertised 0870 number, I three times ended up speaking to an Irish person.

So I suspected the call had transferred to Ireland; I looked on the Microsoft Ireland website, and discovered that indeed they do technical support for many countries. I tried the enquiries number and the call menu was identical to the one on the UK 0870. I tried a couple more times, and this time spoke to people who were aware I was calling from UK, but made no comment on the call routing to them. So I posted it on here, and it has later been confirmed.

I've been slightly bemused reading all this thread, as I didn't realise I should have put 00353 instead, though it does mention using 1899 which hints it is a foreign number

This is from the Microsoft Ireland site, which is quite easy to find - perhaps it will clarify and close all the debate about Irish geo and non-geo numbers.

For general or Sales and Marketing queries call us on 1850 940 940/+353 1 450 2113 or email us at information@microsoft.ie

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Reply #39 - Oct 30^th, 2006 at 11:34pm

I've just come across this convoluted mess. RoI has its own equivalents to our 08 disaster, and for much the same historic reasons. 1800 is their 0800, 1850 is their 0845, and 1890 is their 0870. All are followed by six-digit numbers, and CANNOT be dialled from outside RoI.

So, the number, say, 1850 940940, cannot simply be prefixed by +353. You'd instead be dialling +353 1 850 9409 (the trailing 40 will be ignored), and you'll upset some poor Dubliner with this phone number. You would need to get their geo number, which is +353 1 450 2113 (or 01 450 2113 from within RoI).

Irish numbers either start with 01, 021-098 (with 086 and 087 being mobiles), or 1800/1850/1890.

Depending on your phone provider and what they charge, it may well be cheaper to dial the international Irish number than the 0870 number. I don't know as I pay BT for a call to RoI as if it were a UK national geo call (5.5pph or whatever it is now).

Incidentally, they moved their directory enquiries services to 118 numbers years before we did. Shame we didn't learn from the disaster that created. But that's another story... Wink

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Reply #40 - Oct 31^st, 2006 at 12:34am

OverlordKain wrote on Oct 30^th, 2006 at 11:34pm:

I've just come across this convoluted mess. RoI has its own equivalents to our 08 disaster, and for much the same historic reasons. 1800 is their 0800, 1850 is their 0845, and 1890 is their 0870. All are followed by six-digit numbers, and CANNOT be dialled from outside RoI.

So, the number, say, 1850 940940, cannot simply be prefixed by +353. You'd instead be dialling +353 1 850 9409 (the trailing 40 will be ignored), and you'll upset some poor Dubliner with this phone number. You would need to get their geo number, which is +353 1 450 2113 (or 01 450 2113 from within RoI).

Yes it was a bit of a chore to read through it, but I hoped my last post had already clarified it all

andy9 wrote on May 22^nd, 2006 at 1:21am:

This is from the Microsoft Ireland site, which is quite easy to find - perhaps it will clarify and close all the debate about Irish geo and non-geo numbers.

For general or Sales and Marketing queries call us on 1850 940 940/+353 1 450 2113 or email us at information@microsoft.ie

In other words, the Microsoft Ireland website gives two numbers, one only from within and one from outside Ireland (although anyone there with cheap calls could use the latter).

- which is why only the +353 14502113 number appears in the database here

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