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boasley Newbie Offline Posts: 1	Re: Cheap Call Providers - BT Landline Customers Reply #15 - Nov 14^th, 2006 at 6:33pm I totally agree with you on that!!!
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bbb_uk Global Moderator Offline Posts: 2,041	Re: Cheap Call Providers - BT Landline Customers Reply #16 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 7:00pm Thanks to this thread the one on MSE with regards to the incase in 0870 rates by Call18185, I have now updated my thread accordingly.
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FelixTCat Newbie Offline Posts: 1	Re: Cheap Call Providers - BT Landline Customers Reply #17 - Jan 15^th, 2007 at 4:46pm I see that 18185 are revelling in their success by raising their prices. Calls to UK mobiles are now 6p per minute during weekdays and as from tomorrow (16 Jan 07) the connection charge will be 5p. This makes the more expensive than call1899 (until 1899 put up their connection charge)!!
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Re: Cheap Call Providers - BT Landline Customers
Reply #18 - Jan 15^th, 2007 at 4:57pm

FelixTCat wrote on Jan 15^th, 2007 at 4:46pm:

I see that 18185 are revelling in their success by raising their prices.

Calls to UK mobiles are now 6p per minute during weekdays and as from tomorrow (16 Jan 07) the connection charge will be 5p.

This makes the more expensive than call1899 (until 1899 put up their connection charge)!! Angry

Thanks for that info. I've updated accordingly.

According to this thread on MSE, it appears Call1899 are also increasing their connection charge to 5p as well.

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lompos Supreme Member Offline Posts: 791	Re: Cheap Call Providers - BT Landline Customers Reply #19 - Jan 19^th, 2007 at 8:23pm Quote: Please note that BT has a 3p connection fee for calls beginning 01/02 The 3p connection charge also applies to 08xxx calls if made from residential lines.
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DarrylRomm Newbie Offline Posts: 16 London Gender:	Re: Cheap Call Providers - BT Landline Customers Reply #20 - Feb 3^rd, 2007 at 6:34pm Hi I just would like confirmation that if I buy an Orchid dialler i will be able to program access numbers from various companies so that i can dial Spain from www.dialwise.co.uk and 'Another country' from a similar supplier without there being any problems.
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Reply #21 - Feb 3^rd, 2007 at 7:34pm

Welcome to the SayNoYTo0870 forum DarrylRomm.

Yes, that's certainly possible.

However, with the frequency with which gateway providers like that change their rates (and, therefore, change numbers), I'd not recommend using any of them (you may wish to consider THIS program and the associated simple update procedure instead).

When ordering your Orchid, don't forget to mention Money Saving Expert to get 20% discount and, when speaking to Maggie or Toby, mention my username too.

No, I don't get commission.

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Reply #22 - Feb 3^rd, 2007 at 9:12pm

Heinz

Thank you for the welcome, and thanks for the links. I will digest what is on offer there, but I think I understand. I have already spoken to Maggie & Toby and they certainly are extremely helpful.

I have used www.dialwise.co.uk for 6 months. I can't claim to phone Spain that often, but I should imagine about 6 or 7 times a month is possible. 0.5p per min & no connection charge is very different to 4p connection and 1p per min (18185) on a 10 minute call. If they change the rate, do they have to change the number? If so I would consider this a fail safe, as I assume the dial out would just fail. I would love to here from others on the longtivity of access numbers from this particular company as I really need Spain all the time. (other countries I can live with default (18185).

Thanks in advance, and what a great site. I've been lurking for ages, and I think those responsible for the running and posting here should be applauded. I have seen so many good forums degenerate into utter trash sometimes, but not this one.

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Reply #23 - Feb 3^rd, 2007 at 9:47pm

DarrylRomm wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2007 at 9:12pm:

I have used www.dialwise.co.uk for 6 months. I can't claim to phone Spain that often, but I should imagine about 6 or 7 times a month is possible. 0.5p per min & no connection charge is very different to 4p connection and 1p per min (18185) on a 10 minute call. If they change the rate, do they have to change the number? If so I would consider this a fail safe, as I assume the dial out would just fail.

18185's connection charge has now gone up to 5p and, yes, their charge is 1p/minute thereafter to call Spain (OH spends 45p or so each week calling her sister).

With regard to gateway providers using 0844, 0871 and 09 numbers, yes, they do have to change their numbers if they want to raise (or lower) prices - because the 4th, 5th, 6th and, sometimes 7th digits determine the price callers pay (see HERE) and, hence, their cut.

The problem with gateway numbers is that users start paying for the call as soon as they've dialled the 11th digit and before they've even started dialling their 'target' number. Hence, a failed call (e.g. 'target' number engaged) is not free (as it would be using 18185, 1899 etc).

Your 'failsafe' idea may be correct although I'd expect a gateway provider to put a message on a superseded number giving the new number - so you'd pay at least a little to hear that (3p 'call set-up fee' plus a few seconds at whatever per minute on BT).

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Re: Cheap Call Providers - BT Landline Customers
Reply #24 - Feb 3^rd, 2007 at 11:00pm

Heinz

I was all set for option 1 as set out by bbb_uk using Primus savers option 2 and listening to you advise on 18185 for international, but then this:

http://www.euphonyuk.com/pages/eutalk18.html

I don't like 18 month contract, and it's a bit late at night to do the sums, but it works out at a monthly rate of £4.33. It replaces 18185 to 01/02 during week days and my international call costs. Any comments on Euphony (a lot can happen in 18 months in the sector)?

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Reply #25 - Feb 4^th, 2007 at 3:24pm

DarrylRomm wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2007 at 11:00pm:

I don't like 18 month contract, and it's a bit late at night to do the sums, but it works out at a monthly rate of £4.33. It replaces 18185 to 01/02 during week days and my international call costs. Any comments on Euphony (a lot can happen in 18 months in the sector)?

Well spotted. I have no personal experience of Euphony but neither have I heard/read any negative comments.

Their euTalk+ CPS packages are two of the 'possible alternative CPS providers' detailed at the bottom of my MSE page because they appear to offer good value despite their 60 minute limit on calls (redial to avoid charges) as opposed to Primus's 90 minutes, might be a problem for some and, as you say, the contract length could be considered a negative. OTOH, if you only need an 'all inclusive' UK 01/02 calls package, £4.33 is an excellent price - and, then, free calls to one or more of the 28 countries would be considered a bonus.

In any case, they are CPS packages, so 1899, 18185 and 1886 are still all accessible as fallbacks if necessary.

I've done the sums for myself and, even with the OH making a 45 minute call each week to her sister in Spain, Primus Saver Option 2 and 18185 for the occasional weekday daytime call is the winning package for me.

OTOH, my elderly mother's mainly daytime use is now reaching the stage where I may well have to get her to change (at the moment, she's 'another number' on my 18185 account so I pay for her calls).

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Re: Cheap Call Providers - BT Landline Customers
Reply #26 - Jun 14^th, 2007 at 3:45pm

We had been using 18185 for practically all our UK calls as it was usually cheaper and never dearer that BT Option 1 but the latest BT rate changes effective 01/08/07 have really mudied the water (see below). Let's hope for a response from 18185.

[b][color=#000066]BT rates based on Option 1 effective 01/08/07
Cheaper rate is in[/color][/b] [b][color=#00cc66]bold[/color][/b]

[b]Daytime, Evening & Weekend times[/b]
Daytime: 6am - 6pm Monday to Friday
Evening: 6pm - 6am Monday to Friday
Weekend: All day Saturday & Sunday (from 01/08/07 BT weekend rates abolished and Daytime / Evening Structure applies)

[b]Geographical Calls (those beginning 01 or 02) [/b]

Daytime:
[b][color=#00cc66]5p per call - not min (18185)[/color][/b]
6p set-up fee +3.25p/min (BT)

Evening & Weekend:
5p per call - not min (18185)
[b][color=#00cc66]4.5p up to 60min (BT)[/color][/b]

[b]0845[/b]

Daytime:
5p set-up fee + 3p/min (18185)
[b][color=#00cc66]6p set-up fee + 2p/min (BT)[/color][/b]

Evening:
[b][color=#00cc66]5p set-up fee + 0.5p/min (18185)[/color][/b]
6p set-up fee + 0.5p/min (BT)

Weekend Days:
[b][color=#00cc66]5p set-up fee + 0.5p/min (18185)[/color][/b]
6p set-up fee + 2p/min (BT)

Weekend Evening:
[b][color=#00cc66]5p set-up fee + 0.5p/min (18185)[/color] [/b]
6p set-up fee + 0.5p/min (BT)

[b]0870[/b]
(Assumes call longer than 1min)

Daytime:
[b][color=#00cc66]5p set-up fee + 6p/min (18185)[/color] [/b]
6p set-up fee + 6p/min (BT)

Evening:
5p set-up fee + 4p/min (18185)
[b][color=#00cc66]6p set-up fee + 1.5p/min (BT)[/color] [/b]

Weekend Days:
[b][color=#00cc66]5p set-up fee + 2p/min (18185)[/color] [/b]
6p set-up fee + 6p/min (BT)

Weekend Evening:
5p set-up fee + 2p/min (18185)
[b][color=#00cc66]6p set-up fee + 1.5p/min (BT)[/color] [/b]

[b]077x, 078x, 079x (Mobile) Calls [/b]

Daytime:
[b][color=#00cc66]5p set-up fee + 6p/min (18185)[/color] [/b]
6p set-up fee + 12.5p/min (BT)

Evening:
[b][color=#00cc66]5p set-up fee + 6p/min (18185)[/color] [/b]
6p set-up fee + 7.5p/min (BT)

Weekend Days:
[b][color=#00cc66]5p set-up fee + 3p/min (18185)[/color] [/b]
6p set-up fee + 12.5p/min (BT)

Weekend Evening:
[b][color=#00cc66]5p set-up fee + 3p/min (18185)[/color] [/b]
6p set-up fee + 7.5p/min (BT)

[color=#000066]Please note that BT Option 1 has a 6p (from 01/08/07) set-up fee for all calls except evening and weekend call to geographic numbers.

Call18185 has a 5p connection fee for all calls[/color][b][/b]

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a very nice man Supreme Member Offline Posts: 705 England Gender:	Re: Cheap Call Providers - BT Landline Customers Reply #27 - Jul 19^th, 2007 at 3:57pm You need to consider Primus 2 Saver for your Evening / weekend geographical calls. 0p connection 0p per min to a max of 90 mins per call (When is the new release of your very excellent table Heinz?) ~Edited by bbb_uk: Title amended
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Reply #28 - Jul 19^th, 2007 at 5:11pm

a very nice man wrote on Jul 19^th, 2007 at 3:57pm:

When is the new release of your very excellent table Heinz?

My ''6-Steps" page was updated 3 days ago - to reflect the impending BT price increases/changes.

There'll be 4 minor alterations to the Orchid program on 1/8/07 too. That, of course, will result in those subscribed to the semi-automatic update service receiving an e-mail from Orchid prompting them to force their dialler(s) to call home.

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After years of ignoring govt. guidelines & RIPPING OFF Council Tax payers using 0845 numbers, Essex County Council changed to 0345 numbers on 2 November 2015

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Reply #29 - Oct 6^th, 2007 at 1:21pm

Great to read all that others have spent lots of time reseaching, much appreciated. I am currently using Tiscali as phone call provider while continuing to rent line from BT. I am on Tiscali's Anytime Talk II plan which is linked to Tiscali Max Unlimited Broadband. I get all local and national U.K. calls free 24/7 but after a month of the service have found I get charged for 08 prefixed numbers. I'm just checking with Tiscali if that includes 0800 numbers and will post a follow up when I get a reply. I now am very careful to try to avoid non-geographic 084 and 087 numbers. It's not always possible, some companies have, to date avoided anyone finding out their geographic code number.

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