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Reply #255 - Aug 24th, 2007 at 10:23am
 
[quote author=NGMsGhost link=1160182005/240#254 date=1187950328][quote author=sherbert link=1160182005/240#253 date=1187949541]According to the story in today's West Sussex County Times there is this facility. Anyone who can get this paper this item is on the front page column two[/quote]

Only goes to show the pathetic lack of understanding of most journalists of telecoms issues.

I will make sure to write a letter to the paper guiding people to this website and to the 10DowningStreet petition.[/quote]

This was not a journalist but a member of the public who has this facility apparantly.
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Reply #256 - Aug 24th, 2007 at 10:38am
 
[quote author=sherbert link=1160182005/255#256 date=1187950980]This was not a journalist but a member of the public who has this facility apparantly.[/quote]

I'm not aware of a facility that allows dialling of 01/02 numbers while blocking 084 and 087 numbers.  I am aware of premium rate number 09 call barring and also call barring for all chargeable calls including 01, 02 and 084/7 number ranges.
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Reply #257 - Aug 24th, 2007 at 1:42pm
 
I have just spoken to my Health Centre, and have been informed that the centre has an 0844 number and has had it since last year, and that old chestnut that they have been told that it is the same rate as BTs "local rate", full number 0844 4720001, although I did use the old 01772 number and it still worked, (I thought the old numbers got disconnected?).

Was asked to write in, (no email address I was told), with my comments and proof of my statements, where is the point? they have already got the system running and believe what they are told by NEG,(assuming that is who they got the system off, as the receptionist asked "who is NEG").
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Reply #258 - Aug 24th, 2007 at 1:52pm
 
derrick wrote on Aug 24th, 2007 at 1:42pm:
I have just spoken to my Health Centre, ... where is the point?

A simple suggestion:

Have a chat wih the "PALS" at Central Lancashire PCT on 0800 032 24 24.

Ask if the GPs who provide their NHS services are allowed to charge for them.
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Reply #259 - Aug 24th, 2007 at 1:52pm
 
derrick wrote on Aug 24th, 2007 at 1:42pm:
Was asked to write in, (no email address I was told), with my comments and proof of my statements, where is the point? they have already got the system running and believe what they are told by NEG,(assuming that is who they got the system off, as the receptionist asked "who is NEG").


Surely the point Derrick is to have their actions reviewed at higher level in your local healthcare trust to try and get the use of 0844 banned and to force the doctors to pay the extra to have the NEG equipment migrated on to 03 numbers.

I think you may perhaps be feeling disheartened after the recent stonewalling by the Information Commissioner in respect of NHS Direct?

But if you become deadlocked with the PCT you could then go to your MP and the Parliamentary Ombudsman.  Also what is the appeal process against an ICO decision?  Is that not also to the Parliamentary Ombudsman via your MP too?

Signatures to the 10 Downing Street petition now at 4845 and counting.  In position 40 on the front page by size.

Everyone with an NEG surgery in their local area needs to write to their local paper giving the URL of the 10 Downing Street petition against these numbers.

We also need Martin Lewis to mention the petition and give the URL in his weekly MoneySavingExpert email.
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Reply #260 - Aug 24th, 2007 at 2:34pm
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Aug 24th, 2007 at 1:52pm:
derrick wrote on Aug 24th, 2007 at 1:42pm:
Was asked to write in, (no email address I was told), with my comments and proof of my statements, where is the point? they have already got the system running and believe what they are told by NEG,(assuming that is who they got the system off, as the receptionist asked "who is NEG").


Surely the point Derrick is to have their actions reviewed at higher level in your local healthcare trust to try and get the use of 0844 banned and to force the doctors to pay the extra to have the NEG equipment migrated on to 03 numbers.

I think you may perhaps be feeling disheartened after the recent stonewalling by the Information Commissioner in respect of NHS Direct?

But if you become deadlocked with the PCT you could then go to your MP and the Parliamentary Ombudsman.  Also what is the appeal process against an ICO decision?  Is that not also to the Parliamentary Ombudsman via your MP too?

Signatures to the 10 Downing Street petition now at 4845 and counting.  In position 40 on the front page by size.

Everyone with an NEG surgery in their local area needs to write to their local paper giving the URL of the 10 Downing Street petition against these numbers.

We also need Martin Lewis to mention the petition and give the URL in his weekly MoneySavingExpert email.



I have previously spoken to my PCT, who tell me that they have no jurisdiction over doctors as they are independent contractors and only "monitor" them re their contracts.

I have just spoken to my PCT again and been told the same, also that they are under the impression that 0844 cost no more than a normal phone call! I will e-mail into the complaints department at Lancs PCT and see if that will start anything.  Can you give me some relevant web links to put into the e-mail?

I have copied most of this from this post by Hienz EmbarrassedHTML14]http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=6087663&postcount=11[HTML15]

I will also write into the practice manager, but do not hold out much hope  Angry


[HTML16]"Also what is the appeal process against an ICO decision?" [HTML17] That is to appeal to the Appeals Tribunal, of which I have already set in motion.
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Reply #261 - Aug 24th, 2007 at 2:44pm
 
And I've e-mailed Martin Lewis drawing his attention to THIS POST when he returns from holiday.

Let's hope .....

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After years of ignoring govt. guidelines & RIPPING OFF Council Tax payers using 0845 numbers, Essex County Council changed to 0345 numbers on 2 November 2015
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Reply #262 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 9:21am
 
SilentCallsVictim wrote on Aug 24th, 2007 at 1:52pm:
derrick wrote on Aug 24th, 2007 at 1:42pm:
I have just spoken to my Health Centre, ... where is the point?

A simple suggestion:

Have a chat wih the "PALS" at Central Lancashire PCT on 0800 032 24 24.

Ask if the GPs who provide their NHS services are allowed to charge for them.



I have already spoken to them, see my post below yours #261, the PCT can do nothing except monitor the doctors contract and cannot make them use/not use a particular number as they are "independent contractors" (not employed by the NHS, their statement not mine),
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Reply #263 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 9:43am
 
SilentCallsVictim wrote on Aug 24th, 2007 at 1:52pm:
Ask if the GPs who provide their NHS services are allowed to charge for them.

derrick wrote on Aug 25th, 2007 at 9:21am:
... the PCT can do nothing except monitor the doctors contract and cannot make them use/not use a particular number as they are "independent contractors" (not employed by the NHS, their statement not mine),


I do not disagree. The PCT cannot dictate what particular type of phone number doctors use. The issue only arises with revenue sharing. I cannot believe that the contract allows doctors to collect money in return for the delivery of the NHS services  That is the issue which every PCT and the DoH must address.

I know that there are other issues and complexities involved, however I am making the point that calls to 0844 numbers are more expensive BECAUSE the caller is not only paying the telco, but is also paying a fee to the person they are calling. Are doctors allowed to charge fees for the delivery of NHS services?

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Reply #264 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 9:54am
 
I am writing a letter to send to the local practice,(no email addy), and to the Central Lancs PCT with those and other comments in it, can't see them budging though, bureaucracy,old boys network  and all that .
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Reply #265 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 5:53pm
 
Another practice manager who has lost the plot on 0844 charging.

"Practice manager at the Pershore centre Pam Ford said that the 0844 number did not cost the 4,000 patients a week that use it, much more and that the practice was not making money out of it."


http://www.eveshamjournal.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1637270.mostcommented.probe_into...
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Reply #266 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 5:57pm
 
10 Downing Street Petition now standing at 4,997 signatures, mainly just from visitors to this website.

If we could get it mentioned in a couple of tabloids I'm sure we could get around 1 million signatures like the anti road tolling petition.
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Reply #267 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 6:28pm
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Aug 25th, 2007 at 5:57pm:
If we could get it mentioned in a couple of tabloids I'm sure we could get around 1 million signatures like the anti road tolling petition.

Or by Martin Lewis.

COME ON MARTIN.
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After years of ignoring govt. guidelines & RIPPING OFF Council Tax payers using 0845 numbers, Essex County Council changed to 0345 numbers on 2 November 2015
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Reply #268 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 6:43pm
 
Heinz wrote on Aug 25th, 2007 at 6:28pm:
Or by Martin Lewis.

COME ON MARTIN.


A mention in Martin Lewis's newsletter would only get us to the 40,000 signatures we had before.

To get a million signatories needs The Sun, Daily Mirror, Daily Mail and Daily Express to all give publicity to the petition.
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Reply #269 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 2:05am
 
More practices mislead. Angry

"Mrs Kelley said the company which implemented the phone number in Stamford said all calls would cost 3.7p per minute. This was also agreed by the New Springwell practices."

http://www.stamfordtoday.co.uk/news?articleid=3116459
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