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Re: NEG propaganda
Reply #270 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 7:01am
 
moneysavin wrote on Aug 26th, 2007 at 2:05am:
More practices mislead. Angry

"Mrs Kelley said the company which implemented the phone number in Stamford said all calls would cost 3.7p per minute. This was also agreed by the New Springwell practices."

http://www.stamfordtoday.co.uk/news?articleid=3116459


The 3.7p per minute is obviously being given to them by top liars NEG.  But even with VAT it still doesn't come to 5p per minute these calls actually cost.  Shocked Angry Angry Angry
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Reply #271 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 7:07am
 
moneysavin wrote on Aug 26th, 2007 at 2:05am:
More practices mislead. Angry

"Mrs Kelley said the company which implemented the phone number in Stamford said all calls would cost 3.7p per minute. This was also agreed by the New Springwell practices."

http://www.stamfordtoday.co.uk/news?articleid=3116459

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Dear Ms. Green,

Further to your report about the failure of the SurgeryLine telephone system at Stamford, Billingborough and Rippingale NHS GPs' surgeries (http://www.stamfordtoday.co.uk/news?articleid=3116459) I thought you might be interested to hear a little more about the SurgeryLine system and how it is ripping off NHS patients throughout the country.

NEG, the suppliers of SurgeryLine systems, use a sales technique of offering GPs' practices incentives of a 'free' switchboard and associated equipment and a proportion of the excessive 5p per minute call charges (not the 3.7p per minute the company told your reporter) which result when non-geographical 0844 numbers replace existing 01 or 02 geographic numbers.  NEG have the temerity to say the call charges are less than 5p per minute - but, deviously, they quote without VAT.  How many patients get VAT-free telephone bills?  In any case, with VAT, the 3.7p your reporter was told the calls cost is 4.35p - so that figure is demonstrably false.

Of course, common sense tells us that no business would offer free equipment unless they were certain of recouping their money - and more - so the question has to be asked, how are they going to do that? Simple, patients are going to pay! All patients - from the wealthy to the poor - are going to pay. Every time they call the surgery, they are going to pay.

Apart from the fact that such systems require patients to remember an eleven-digit number as opposed to a much shorter local number, 0844 numbers are 'revenue-sharing' and generate an income for the surgery and/or the telephone service provider and result in call-queuing - at the expense of patients!

The firm attempts to justify the unnecessary queuing which results when these systems are installed by saying that it is more efficient - because callers never receive the engaged tone!  They cannot, of course, explain how patients entering an electronic wilderness to wait, whilst paying 5p per minute to do so, is more efficient than, as they would do now, them just pressing the last number redial button to try again.

When only one or two people are available to answer calls anyway, such systems really just make patients pay yet another stealth tax for the dubious privilege of listening to ‘press this’, ‘press that’ menu options and/or ‘musak’ whilst waiting. The real truth behind the 'better service to patients' and 'efficient use of modern technology' rhetoric is simply that the systems are more efficient at extracting extra money from patients!

Equally worryingly, it is not possible to make calls to UK 08xx numbers from most overseas countries and, therefore, a patient or hospital overseas would not be able to contact the surgery for information in case of emergency.

Many people have 'inclusive' telephone call packages these days whereby all calls to UK 01 or 02 numbers are, in effect, free at all times. At 5p per minute and with queuing times artificially lengthened, calls to 0844 numbers from patients attempting just to make an appointment or enquire about a test result, now regularly cost in excess of 50p.

Of course, the introduction of these numbers additionally penalises the poor and elderly and others who do not have access to a home phone. Calls to 0844 numbers from telephone boxes cost a minimum of 40p and are charged at 14p per minute and mobile phones companies charge up to 40p per minute - not the 'headline' price of 5p (which, in itself, is 54% per minute more than someone on the basic BT package would pay for a call to an 01 or 02 number).

You will probably be aware that a petition (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/NGN-use-by-GPs/) against the use of these numbers by GPs’ surgeries has been started on the Downing Street website and has already attracted a considerable number of signatures.

Pity the people registered with the Stamford, Billingborough and Rippingale surgeries - and any others where these rip-off and reprehensible systems have been installed.

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After years of ignoring govt. guidelines & RIPPING OFF Council Tax payers using 0845 numbers, Essex County Council changed to 0345 numbers on 2 November 2015
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Re: NEG propaganda
Reply #272 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 8:20am
 
moneysavin wrote on Aug 26th, 2007 at 2:05am:
More practices mislead. Angry

"Mrs Kelley said the company which implemented the phone number in Stamford said all calls would cost 3.7p per minute. This was also agreed by the New Springwell practices."

http://www.stamfordtoday.co.uk/news?articleid=3116459


This was already mentioned by idb on the 17th August (the day the story was online) - see here.
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Reply #273 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 8:48am
 
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How many patients get VAT-free telephone bills? In any case, with VAT, the 3.7p your reporter was told the calls cost is 4.35p - so that figure is demonstrably false


There seems to be some confusion about call charges to GPs who changed to 0844 numbers. I suppose this is because not all 0844 calls cost the same.

However, from home landlines the NEG SurgeryLine numbers are charged at BT's g6 rate and cost at all times:

4.25p/min excl. VAT - which is irrelevant since patients cannot reclaim VAT on calls to their doctor
5.00p/min incl. VAT

The BT price list for specialised numbers is here:
http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumer/consumerProducts/pdf/SpecialisedN...
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Reply #274 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 9:01am
 
Lompos, I think what Heinz was getting at was that the article stated the calls would cost 3.7p. We all know that the NEG numbers actually cost 5p inc VAT, but that the article was factually incorrect in stating it cost 3.7p (whether or not that was including VAT).
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Reply #275 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 9:30am
 
Somethin 'fishy' is going on. The West Sussex Times has been reporting on the doctor's surgery fiasco, last Friday and the Friday before and the stories have been removed from their web site..http://www.wscountytimes.co.uk/

This seems to be a very underhanded way of ingnoring the Great British Public's concerns.
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Reply #276 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 10:19am
 
sherbert wrote on Aug 24th, 2007 at 7:29am:


Do you mean this story? Still seems to be there...
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Reply #277 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 10:32am
 
jgxenite wrote on Aug 26th, 2007 at 10:19am:
sherbert wrote on Aug 24th, 2007 at 7:29am:


Do you mean this story? Still seems to be there...



If you go into the home page..http://www.wscountytimes.co.uk/sectionhome.aspx?sectionid=507

There is no link to the story from there that I can see.
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Reply #278 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 10:55am
 
sherbert wrote on Aug 26th, 2007 at 10:32am:
If you go into the home page..http://www.wscountytimes.co.uk/sectionhome.aspx?sectionid=507

There is no link to the story from there that I can see.


Because it was last week's edition and this page is reserved for a story in the current week's edition?

I expect they only have quite a primitive website.  Sadly most of my stories on the wesbites of local newspapers have been wiped out after a few months and replaced by more recent news items.
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Reply #279 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 11:09am
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Aug 26th, 2007 at 10:55am:
sherbert wrote on Aug 26th, 2007 at 10:32am:
If you go into the home page..http://www.wscountytimes.co.uk/sectionhome.aspx?sectionid=507

There is no link to the story from there that I can see.


Because it was last week's edition and this page is reserved for a story in the current week's edition?

I expect they only have quite a primitive website.  Sadly most of my stories on the wesbites of local newspapers have been wiped out after a few months and replaced by more recent news items.



No it was front page of this week's edition. It was there, but it has been removed by who?

Now here is another thought, who owns NEG? Is it a publicly listed company? If it is I bet it is worth looking at the list of shareholders and see how many doctors own shares in the company. If they do conflicts of interst spring to mind. I know I an an old cynic but.....
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Reply #280 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 12:18pm
 
sherbert wrote on Aug 26th, 2007 at 11:09am:
No it was front page of this week's edition. It was there, but it has been removed by who?


I assume it was removed by the weekly update process that changes the stories on the website related to that week's current edition.

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Now here is another thought, who owns NEG? Is it a publicly listed company? If it is I bet it is worth looking at the list of shareholders and see how many doctors own shares in the company. If they do conflicts of interst spring to mind. I know I an an old cynic but.....


See http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/30257fb28f71aa103a59977f41b87064/compdetails (note this will be unavailable from 8pm tonight until 7am tomorrow and then from midnight to 7am from Tuesday onwards).

You can get the shareholders and directors using the webcheck service as long as you are prepared to pay a quid for the info.

I wouldn't necessarily assume there are any doctors amongst the shareholders as the company seems to be run by a load of Essex wideboys (hardly surprising in view of their selling methods).  If I was a doctor who was a shareholder I would now be looking to get rid of shares as fast as possible given the heat now being directed towards NEG's unscrupulous activities.  Also I don't suppose they will necessarily use the title doctor on the shareholder record.  You would have to cross reference the shareholder list with the British Medical Association's database.
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Reply #281 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 2:49pm
 

Quoting from wscountrytimes.co.uk


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HUNDREDS of Horsham patients were plunged into chaos after major technical faults hit a controversial new town GP surgery phone system yesterday (Monday August 20).

Bosses at Horsham's Park Surgery, in Albion Way, today apologised to patients cut off when the new Surgeryline system collapsed, disconnecting callers after they had choosen from an options menu.

Simon Dean, Park Surgery executive partner, told wscountytimes.co.uk engineers were working on the Surgeryline system today (Tuesday August 21) with a view to having it back to normal as soon as possible.
He said: "As with any new system of this nature, we have had teething problems.

"Yesterday (Monday August 20) we had major difficulties, when callers were being disconnected after selecting from the options menu.

"Apparently this was caused by a fault on the incoming BT lines.

"We sincerely apologise for this failure and wish to thank all of those affected for their patience and understanding.

"Today (Tuesday August 21) we have engineers on site sorting the problems out and we hope that everyone will soon appreciate the benefits of the new system."

What do you think of the new phone system. Add your comments to this story
Last Updated: 21 August 2007 3:48 PM

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Can anyone find any comments to the above story?
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Reply #282 - Aug 26th, 2007 at 3:02pm
 
Someone suggested earlier that there were comments on this, but they all "mysteriously" disappeared, and that the add comments link doesn't work. One wonders if NEG had a word with them about it...
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Reply #283 - Aug 27th, 2007 at 1:30pm
 
sherbert wrote on Aug 26th, 2007 at 9:30am:
Somethin 'fishy' is going on. The West Sussex Times has been reporting on the doctor's surgery fiasco, last Friday and the Friday before and the stories have been removed from their web site..http://www.wscountytimes.co.uk/

This seems to be a very underhanded way of ingnoring the Great British Public's concerns.



I have emailed the paper asking why. When & if I get a reply I will post the reply here.
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Reply #284 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 2:10pm
 
www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=136730&command=displayC...

From that article on the Mail website ...

"Today, a Department of Health spokesman said ministers had written to primary care trusts asking them to try to prevent patients being charged extra to call their doctor.

He said: "NHS organisations have a duty to ensure they provide the best possible service to patients without exploiting them."


A spokeswoman for Hull Teaching Primary Care Trust said it had written to GPs and dentists urging them not to use systems with higher call charges.

However, she said the decision was down to individual practices."




Maybe the rolling ball is gathering pace.  I hope something will soon be done to stop this disgraceful scam   Angry Sad


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