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Reply #375 - Oct 6th, 2007 at 10:29pm
 
Information on Surgery Line is on NEG's website here. The graphic says that there are "1,140 solutions implemented and counting", "Serving over 6.2 milliom patients".

And there's a 3 minute video here. I expect that this will form a DVD presentation that the salespeople will take to surgeries.
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Reply #376 - Oct 8th, 2007 at 12:56pm
 
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/Anger-over-GPs39-phone-call.3306056.jp

Anger over GPs' phone call charges

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GP surgeries which changed phone numbers to make money on patients' calls are "disgraceful" according to a former Mayor of Northampton.
Some surgeries in Northampton, including Abington Park Surgery and King Edward Road Surgery, switched their numbers from a Northampton dialling code to numbers with an 0844 prefix in July.

The numbers are more expensive to callers than regular numbers, with the total price of each call divided between BT and the surgeries.

Former borough councillor John Rawlings, who was a member of several medical committees, said the price mattered less than the principle of surgeries providing services for free.

He said: "I find it quite disgraceful that any surgery should charge us, as patients, to call them. I and most people would see the telephone as purely and simply a method of communication, not a service that we should expect to pay a doctor's surgery. It's like being charged by the surgery to send them a letter – it is not on.

"The practice might say the costs go into the surgery but I don't see that as a justification. It is the NHS – all parts of seeing your GP ought to be free, but for patients in Abington they have no choice but to pay."

Both surgeries in the Christchurch Medical Centre, which serve about 22,000 residents, brought in the new numbers with a new phone system called Surgery Line, which uses call automation and additional phone lines to tackle call congestion.

A spokesman for the phone system said: "Unless they stay on the phone for more than four minutes, it costs the same amount as the old number."

Justin Pearce, practice manager of the King Edward Road surgery, acknowledged the new phone system was "by no means perfect" but said features like recording technology would ensure it lasted well into the future.

He said: "We felt we needed this updated phone system and it needed to be paid for in some way."

Abington Park surgery was unavailable for comment.
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Reply #377 - Oct 9th, 2007 at 5:17pm
 
idb wrote on Oct 8th, 2007 at 12:56pm:
A spokesman for the phone system said: "Unless they stay on the phone for more than four minutes, it costs the same amount as the old number."
Who is this spokesperson because he/she really needs maths lessons!

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Reply #378 - Oct 11th, 2007 at 10:16pm
 
The EDM, posted elsewhere, now has 41 signatures. Does your MP know about this? If not, let him/her know!

1989 COST OF CALLING DOCTORS' SURGERIES 24:7:07
Mrs Sharon Hodgson
Bob Spink
Andrew George
Bob Russell
Mr Andrew Dismore
Stephen Williams
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Mrs Janet Dean Mr Stephen Hepburn David Simpson
That this House strongly deplores the practice of doctors' surgeries setting up more expensive telephone numbers with an 0844 prefix, which are up to four pence a minute more expensive to call from a standard BT landline, through which patients have to book appointments, although the telephone watchdog Ofcom is rightly critical of the idea; believes that this unfairly penalises the less well off; and urges the greater use of geographical telephone numbers for such purposes.
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Reply #379 - Oct 16th, 2007 at 11:35pm
 
http://www.pickering-beacon.co.uk/autumn_pages/a14.htm

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Pickering Surgery gets new Telephone Number
0844 815 1130 - From September 2007

Pickering Medical Practice is replacing its telephone system. A new number will be introduced 0844 815 1130 for all calls to the surgery.

       Practice Manager John Fletcher said “our telephone equipment is now quite old and at times has become overwhelmed by call volumes; we need to replace it urgently.  We have had problems with calls being lost in the system, answering machines switching on when they are not supposed to and difficulties with transferring to and from our out of hours service. We conducted a trial last year of automating calls through the building pressing various keys to reach departments in an effort to reduce some of the problems. This trial worked well, with much reduced waiting times to get through to our operators. However, our equipment continued to cause problems, only 4 calls can be handled at a time on our general number; and ultimately we were unable to use the automated set up without replacing the system. This was set to cost between £12,000 and £15,000, which left us with a difficult decision; either replace the phone system and have no money to spend on equipment, or continue to have patients grumbling about calls problems.

       That’s when we heard about NEG who offer brand new state of the art digital systems that manage up to 1000 calls at any one time but are paid for by using the 0844, lo-call scheme. This scheme returns part of the call cost to us which we use to pay for the new system.  This means calls get answered faster, no one gets an engaged tone and has to redial. The new system also links to patient records so that when you ring us it automatically presents the receptionist with your medical record, further increasing speed and accuracy. It also means that in the future we will be able to offer other services such as automated appointments via your phone even when we are closed!

       The only down side will be the current bad press that 08, numbers have had. Much of this is overdone, calls are charged outside call package schemes, if you are on an ordinary BT scheme then there is no difference to the call cost.

       Average call costs to the surgery will be less that 10p which includes the standard BT connection charge at 5p and if your call is being dealt with quickly and efficiently then this would seem a small price to pay; at the same time you will be helping the surgery to use its money for equipment that will in turn help provide patient care.

       The change is scheduled to take place on 17th September; engineers will be replacing the equipment on the Saturday and Sunday 15th & 16th. From the 17th you will need to dial our new numbers 0844 815 1130, for all services and appointments including Thornton Dale. Our Fax will change to, 0844 815 1129.

       If you dial any of our current numbers after that date you will be asked to redial. Once you dial the new number you will be connected to a menu offering 6 choices, 1, for emergencies, 2 for appointments, 3 prescriptions, 4 Health Visitors, 5 District Nurses, 6 for Test Results.

       Remember by using these options you will be quickly put through to the department you need taking pressure from our switchboard and allowing them to deal with any urgent and emergency calls”.  

       NB.. If you are calling from abroad the local scheme doesn’t operate and you will need to dial 00 44 870 111 45 41.

John Fletcher Msc, Practice Manager. Master of scams perhaps?
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Reply #380 - Oct 17th, 2007 at 7:17am
 
I am not a techi and as such I do not fully understand the workings of all the telecom gadgetry, but as far as I understand it the 08 numbers are used to enable the telecoms system to route calls to the next available operator if they are in a different geographical location.

I used to have an 0845 number for that reason as I had offices in both Barnsley and Hull and a call was routed if busy or not answered.

Why do doctors surgeries need this facility as all calls are answered in the same location so surely call divert and call routing is not needed.

If I recall Feature Line offers all the required services within the same location and only requires the one 01/02 number.

Can somebody clarify this as technology changes all the time.


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Reply #381 - Oct 17th, 2007 at 8:20am
 
bazzerfewi wrote on Oct 17th, 2007 at 7:17am:
I am not a techi and as such I do not fully understand the workings of all the telecom gadgetry, but as far as I understand it the 08 numbers are used to enable the telecoms system to route calls to the next available operator if they are in a different geographical location.

Why do doctors surgeries need this facility as all calls are answered in the same location so surely call divert and call routing is not needed.

One word answer - MONEY!
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After years of ignoring govt. guidelines & RIPPING OFF Council Tax payers using 0845 numbers, Essex County Council changed to 0345 numbers on 2 November 2015
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Reply #382 - Oct 17th, 2007 at 12:26pm
 
If the 0844 number doesn't work then the 0870 number probably won't either - sigh!
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Reply #383 - Oct 20th, 2007 at 11:10pm
 
http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/MP-calls-for-0844-numbers.3398033.jp

MP calls for 0844 numbers review

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TO BE put on hold a bit longer, press one; to get a bit more irritated, press two; to be put through to another long menu, press three . . . does this sound familiar?
Following complaints from city residents that doctors’ surgeries are using 0844 numbers, MP for north West Cambridge-shire Shailesh Vara is calling for a review of the practice.

Mr Vara has written to the telecommunications regulator OFCOM, Peterborough Primary Care Trust (PCT) and the Department of Health calling for them to reassess the decision to allow practices to use the code.

Some GPs say they made the switch to improve efficiency. However, the new numbers cost extra to call, especially from mobile phones, and some people have difficulty getting through.

Mr Vara said: “A few extra pence here and there may not sound a lot, but it adds up over time, especially for pensioners and those on benefits. As well as the extra cost, there is the added inconvenience.

“I have written to OFCOM, the PCT and to the Secretary of State for Health, urging them to intervene in the interests of patients.

Numbers which begin with the digits 0844 are charged at 5p a minute – a higher rate than regular local numbers. And, if from a mobile phone, the call can cost up to 40p a minute.

Mr Vara says that, in trying to improve efficiency and introducing a system to stop people having to call back if they get an engaged tone, patients are now finding that they have to queue in order to book an appointment, which adds to the cost.

Stanground resident John Foster is backing Mr Vara’s call. The former telephone system engineer, who has installed similar systems in businesses across the country, said introducing 0844 numbers in the surgeries was a bad move.

Speaking earlier this year, he said: “Most of the time there is a 5p connection charge, which covers the cost of the call. But if you wait for 30 seconds for the options and then spend 31 seconds talking, that is just over a minute which means you get charged for two minutes – for a 31-second conversation.”

Mr Vara said the responses received from Peterborough PCT and from the Department of Health both indicated that the issue was being kept under review.

He added: “I hope that it will lead to a sensible outcome in the near future.”
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Reply #384 - Oct 21st, 2007 at 2:00pm
 
idb wrote on Oct 20th, 2007 at 11:10pm:
Mr Vara said the responses received from Peterborough PCT and from the Department of Health both indicated that the issue was being kept under review.


And just what does that mean?

My PCT,(Central Lancashire), has been "looking into it" since the DoH letter of April 2005, and certainly from Lord Warners letter of December 2006, how long does it take these people to get off their backside and actually do something instead of "looking into it" or "being kept under review"? while the patients continue to get ripped off!
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Reply #385 - Oct 21st, 2007 at 2:11pm
 
derrick wrote on Oct 21st, 2007 at 2:00pm:
idb wrote on Oct 20th, 2007 at 11:10pm:
Mr Vara said the responses received from Peterborough PCT and from the Department of Health both indicated that the issue was being kept under review.


And just what does that mean?

My PCT,(Central Lancashire), has been "looking into it" since the DoH letter of April 2005, and certainly from Lord Warners letter of December 2006, how long does it take these people to get off their backside and actually do something instead of "looking into it" or "being kept under review"? while the patients continue to get ripped off!



Actually, "looking into it" & "being kept under review", means, 'go away and leave me alone, I have better things to do with my time and don't really give  a damn about your problem.'  Roll Eyes

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Reply #386 - Oct 21st, 2007 at 3:59pm
 
sherbert wrote on Oct 21st, 2007 at 2:11pm:
Actually, "looking into it" & "being kept under review", means, 'go away and leave me alone, I have better things to do with my time and don't really give  a damn about your problem.'  Roll Eyes


Exactly what I told the woman I spoke to at my PCT on Friday, of course she said "no it doesn't",   Grin
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Reply #387 - Oct 24th, 2007 at 12:25pm
 
I have just received another email from my practice manager and it seems that they are just using stalling practices;-

I have received an update this morning from the Patient Services Manager who has advised me that as yet there is no further information from BT although she has been chasing the gentleman who came to see the practice for progress. Our health care manager from Telewest has advised us that "03" numbers will be available but as yet she cannot give us a timescale or a cost for the change however she has indicated that it may be early 2008 before these numbers are available. I have asked the Patient Services Manager to continue communications on a fortnightly basis to progress this. In addition to all these discussions we will await formal feedback and direction from the Department of Health regarding these 0844 numbers.

I will endeavor to update you on progress as and when it occurs however I cannot guarantee you a resolution in the near future.

Louise Fowler

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As far as I know, 03 numbers are available now, could some point me in the direction of a link I can provide to prove this, or do you think that it is Telewest who are dragging their heels?



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Reply #388 - Oct 24th, 2007 at 1:04pm
 
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Reply #389 - Oct 24th, 2007 at 1:12pm
 
sherbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2007 at 1:04pm:



Not really,( they are with Telewest and I don't think they want to change, although I will include the link), I was looking for something maybe from Ofcom stating they are in use and available.

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