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Reply #391 - Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:23pm

derrick wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:12pm:

Not really,( they are with Telewest and I don't think they want to change, although I will include the link), I was looking for something maybe from Ofcom stating they are in use and available.

It is not a simple case of saying "yes 03 numbers are in service".

Now that there are different providers, they must negotiate with one another what they pay (between each other) for these calls. This will obviously have a bearing on how much the 03 NGN provider will charge the receiving party.

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Reply #392 - Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:30pm

Dave wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:23pm:

derrick wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:12pm:

Not really,( they are with Telewest and I don't think they want to change, although I will include the link), I was looking for something maybe from Ofcom stating they are in use and available.

It is not a simple case of saying "yes 03 numbers are in service".

Now that there are different providers, they must negotiate with one another what they pay (between each other) for these calls. This will obviously have a bearing on how much the 03 NGN provider will charge the receiving party.

Yes but don't I remember Ofcom having a page somewhere saying they are now in service? As my practice just seem to be stonewalling.

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Reply #393 - Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:41pm

derrick wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:30pm:

Yes but don't I remember Ofcom having a page somewhere saying they are now in service? As my practice just seem to be stonewalling.

"In service" and "available" (for allocation) are different things.

They can only become "in service" when they have been allocated. And to call an NGN on one telco from different telco requires there to be an arrangement between the two. This doesn't just happen; it is a commercial agreement.

For example, if you call your surgery's Telewest NGN from your BT line, your call will go along BT's network and be passed to Telewest's. It's reasonable to assume that BT will have to pay Telewest for this.

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Reply #394 - Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:46pm

Dave wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:41pm:

derrick wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:30pm:

Yes but don't I remember Ofcom having a page somewhere saying they are now in service? As my practice just seem to be stonewalling.

"In service" and "available" (for allocation) are different things.

They can only become "in service" when they have been allocated. And to call an NGN on one telco from different telco requires there to be an arrangement between the two. This doesn't just happen; it is a commercial agreement.

For example, if you call your surgery's Telewest NGN from your BT line, your call will go along BT's network and be passed to Telewest's. It's reasonable to assume that BT will have to pay Telewest for this.

So what happened to Ofcoms " 03 numbers will cost the same as 01/02 numbers and be included in call packages including mobiles" ? I have paraphrased, as I can't find the page,(hence why I am asking for a link)!

Also is that what happens now if I use the 01 number?(it is still working), surely it is still going form BT to Telewset.

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Reply #396 - Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:56pm

Dave wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:49pm:

derrick wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:46pm:

So what happened to Ofcoms " 03 numbers will cost the same as 01/02 numbers and be included in call packages including mobiles" ? I have paraphrased, as I can't find the page,(hence why I am asking for a link)!

Nothing, that will still apply.

But something must be different if there is a charge between providers re the 03 numbers, as per my edit to my last post;-

"Also is that what happens now if I use the 01 number?(it is still working), surely it is still going form BT to Telewset."

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Reply #397 - Oct 24^th, 2007 at 2:04pm

derrick wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:56pm:

But something must be different if there is a charge between providers re the 03 numbers, as per my edit to my last post;-

"Also is that what happens now if I use the 01 number?(it is still working), surely it is still going form BT to Telewset."

I would have thought the these charges between the telcos (known as "terminating charges") would, in reality, be the same as those for 01/02 numbers. If they are higher, then we will probably see 01/02 rates going up to compensate.

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Reply #398 - Oct 24^th, 2007 at 2:11pm

Dave wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 2:04pm:

derrick wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:56pm:

But something must be different if there is a charge between providers re the 03 numbers, as per my edit to my last post;-

"Also is that what happens now if I use the 01 number?(it is still working), surely it is still going form BT to Telewset."

I would have thought the these charges between the telcos (known as "terminating charges") would, in reality, be the same as those for 01/02 numbers. If they are higher, then we will probably see 01/02 rates going up to compensate.

OK, so can you direct me to an Ofcom page that mentions the availability/in service re 03 numbers?

I know there is something but can't find it.

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Reply #400 - Oct 24^th, 2007 at 2:42pm

Dave wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 2:21pm:

derrick wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 2:11pm:

OK, so can you direct me to an Ofcom page that mentions the availability/in service re 03 numbers?

I believe that the link that Sherbert has provided in reply #390 is to the page which you are thinking of.

Yes I think that is the one, I had completely missed that post.

Thanks sherbet

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derrick Supreme Member Offline Posts: 1,124	Re: NEG propaganda Reply #401 - Oct 24^th, 2007 at 2:44pm sherbert wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:22pm: What about this then? http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/news/2007/02/nr_20070213b Thanks sherbet, that is the one, as I said in my post above, I missed your post completely
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Reply #402 - Oct 24^th, 2007 at 3:01pm

derrick wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 1:12pm:

… they are with Telewest … I was looking for something maybe from Ofcom stating they are in use and available.

According to the latest information from Ofcom, Telewest has applied for and been allocated blocks of 03 numbers in both the 030 range reserved for those such as GPs and also in the general use 034 range -

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/telecoms/ioi/numbers/numbers_administered/s3.xls

derrick wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 12:25pm:

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In addition to all these discussions we will await formal feedback and direction from the Department of Health regarding these 0844 numbers.... Louise Fowler Practice Manager

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I have yet to find anyone able to provide evidence to support the frequently repeated allegation that the Department of Health is undertaking a further review of this issue and intends to issue specific directions regarding use of revenue sharing 0844 numbers. If anyone has clear evidence of such activity, the details would be of great interest.

David

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Reply #403 - Oct 24^th, 2007 at 3:47pm

SilentCallsVictim wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 3:01pm:

According to the latest information from Ofcom, Telewest has applied for and been allocated blocks of 03 numbers in both the 030 range reserved for those such as GPs and also in the general use 034 range -

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/telecoms/ioi/numbers/numbers_administered/s3.xls

Another reply from her;-

Thank you for your notification however we have been advised that by Telewest that it will be early 2008 before they are available for the public sector. However we have today tried to contact our Health Care Manager from Telewest for a more detailed timescale. In addition our Patient Services Manager has been contacted today by another telecommunications provider who may be able to offer 03 numbers around Christmas time however there services and options need to be reviewed in full.

I note your comment your comment regarding the 01772 telephone numbers however in order to comply with our NHS contract patients should have to make no more than 1 telephone call to reach emergency out of hour services, the 0844 number does where our 01772 numbers do not.

I understand your concerns about the surgery numbers, we are actively looking at alternatives however this may take some time to facilitate.

Louise Fowler

But she side steps the questions I keep asking her, and what is this about,

"contract patients should have to make no more than 1 telephone call to reach emergency out of hour services, the 0844 number does where our 01772 numbers do not. "

I mean come on, 01 numbers can be diverted!

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sherbert Supreme Member Offline Posts: 2,011 Gender:	Re: NEG propaganda Reply #404 - Oct 24^th, 2007 at 4:04pm This just goes to show they have not got a clue what they are talking about. They are just being hoodwinked. Do you reckon she is supplying information to you that her provider is furnishing her with?
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