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Comment on scams
Nov 29th, 2006 at 3:10pm
 
I made a post to "Unknown Number - 0870 2402559" but it didn't move it onto the top of the list (for probably a good reason that I'm not aware of!), so not wanting it to be missed here it is again:


I see that this number was already discussed and my post has been moved under the original heading - Thank you.

What is clear is the message has completely changed (free holidays rather than SatCover) and its another typical scam topic (the free holiday if you call this number scam)

I also note that another scam has been highlighted today where you call an 0871 number for your messages

It is clear that people aren't falling for the 09 numbers so easily whereas the 08 numbers are an easier trap, people being less knowledgeable.

Surely the fact that scammers are now commonly doing this is a powerful argument for doing something about these numbers. It is difficult to argue that they aren't an abuse when obvious criminals jump on the bandwagon.

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Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2006 at 3:24pm
 
I have also been called by these scammers twice as Satellite Direct and their holiday fake survey company's automated message.  This is despite being TPS registered.

The people you must file a complaint with to force action if you are registered with the TPS are the Information Commissioner's Office - www.ico.gov.uk ;   The TPS are a waste of time because being run by the Direct Marketing Association they have no powers to take the scammers to coury if they continue not to comply.

The scam mainly involves conning you into buying the "free holiday" for which only the flights are free and you must also pay for acommodation and food at vast cost.  The automated message is just the icing on the cake by making you the caller pay the costs of what could easily be a 20 minute or more long phone call.

Unfortunately as long as the scammers claim they are taking steps to comply the ICO cannot take them to court.  Only if the ICO has numerous repeated instances of non compliance brought to its attention can it prosecute the company.  Satellite Direct is probably currently the worst abuser of TPS and automated call rules in the UK but still the ICO has not yet procecuted them.
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Reply #2 - Nov 29th, 2006 at 11:02pm
 
Data Partnership Solutioms and the Privacy and Electronic Communications Regulations loopholes.

I have spent some digging around and it is my belief that nothing will be done about this company. TPS seems powerless, ICO call centre staff in Cheshire seem as frustrated as we are because the subscriber has to call back the 0870/0871 numbers.

The only success I had was the BT abuse line
0800661441
. This company are recognised as a ‘power dialler’ group and the abuse team say that a department will talk to the abusers to get your number removed.

The ICO are the people to talk to if you believe that PECR has been breached in any way and require completion over either a PDF from
http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/privacy_and_electronic/forms/pecr... or word document http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/privacy_and_electronic/forms/pecr...

These forms are as welcoming as an Insurance claim form in Latin. Representative of my local Euro MP have held aloft the ‘Unfair Commercial Practices’ as a beacon that must come into force by 12 Dec 2007. Little to long for me I’m afraid.

So from a press cutting in the daily mirror, this and sister companies are run by 40-year-old David Reynolds. I have some great ideas about investigating the individuals related to the company, utilising the electoral role and/or companies house, but that would appear to breach the agreement of registration of this forum,
<Snip> you will not post any material which is, <snip> threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, <snip>

I for one would love to call them at home at 3.22 am to advise Mr Reynolds personally, that I do not have Sky. Anyone want to book the 3.27 time slot available? (Well, give him time to get back into bed.)

Perhaps it’s time for the sheep to form a collective, if only to the Shepard’s face. I believe that as a country we have sleepwalked into this nightmare of regulation full of loopholes that seem to protect the abusers, and the regulators and lobbyists know this.

Having spoken to the press office of the ICO, the only prosecutions that they wanted to publicise was that of sending out preliminary notices indicating its intention to serve a enforcement notice requiring the companies to comply with Regulation 21 of the Privacy and Electronic Communications Regulations by ceasing marketing calls to people who have asked the company to stop calling them and/or who are registered with the TPS. Hmmm, well that was.. meaningful

Comments please, anyone?  Let us no longer moan, but do.. even if that’s just that everyone rings the BT abuse team on
08006614441
and moans there.
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