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Re: SayNoTo0870.com E-Petition
Reply #180 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 5:33pm
 
loddon wrote on Mar 5th, 2007 at 4:34pm:
What is happening with the suggested email chain letter?


Only suggested by you if you will recall and not actually endorsed as a tactic by any other regular forum members.
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Reply #181 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 5:55pm
 
I think you are wrong NGN -- I didn't suggest it.   I placed a copy of what I had already sent to my contacts, for information, to the Forum.   Dave, Global Moderator, then said :-
 
"Thanks loddon for the suggested email. I think it will be a good idea if we can get an email together so Daniel can send it to all members of the forums."

I don't know who Daniel is, being new around here, and I was wondering what had happened with Dave's suggestion.

So what is happening?
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Reply #182 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 2:31pm
 
The petition is about to hit 30,000 which is great, but the rate has dropped to about 40 per hour.

Any ideas as to how we can attract more signatures?

Also how are we going to exploit this. It is one of the most popular petition (past and present) and also the top communications petition. It would be very sad if it was just given the brush off, which is what I fear. Eg changes happening soon which will cover the concerns of the petitioners - Oh no they won't!!!
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Reply #183 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 3:47pm
 
An MP (of the female variety!) brought up the 'Posthumous K for Bob Paisley' at PMQ's today - no wonder they passed our 0870 petition.
Anyone know any MP that would bring it up for us?
Unfortunately my MP (only Tory in Scotland?) even refuses to sign the 'Patientline EDM', though I've brought it up in our local paper and challenged him to give reasons why he wont.
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Reply #184 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 5:00pm
 
I would like to contact my Mp and local papers about this issue. Could someone please post the details about the charges applicable to the various 08** numbers. Apart from the 'excluded from inclusive packages' thing, I only know that companies often take a slice of the call costs. I would like to be more specific if I can, as I think it would improve the credibility of my letter.
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Reply #185 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 5:30pm
 
Why don't we raise this with all MPs, and find out how many consider this an issue which they would deem worthy of some of their precious time?   The petition is directed to the Prime Minister.  If enough MPs are supporting the Petition then there just may be a chance of something being done.   

But what is to be done?   What action can we realistically ask our MPs and the PM to take?   Legislation would be a sledgehammer to crack a nut and, I would think, would have little chance in competition with all the other issues waiting for legislation.    What is the appropriate democratic course of action to be applied here?   

Could OFCOM somehow be directed to implement a ruling that Geo numbers must be made available?  I think we should try and identify/agree an objective here which we can then put to our MPs which might stand a chance of being taken seriously.   What do others think? 
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Reply #186 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 5:55pm
 
I am of the opinion that the most powerful weapon consumers have is non-use. For instance how quickly would electronic equipment, cds, label jeans etc. come down if people just stopped buying them? I know we can't just abstain from using NGNs unilaterally so the trick is to make as many people aware and angry about them as possible. This means publicity. So by writing to nespapers, MPs, TV stations and so on spreads the word and hopefully more people will locate and post alternative geographical numbers, more people will use the site, and the profitability of the NGNs will decline. The petition may not, ultimately be any use in itself, but will be a significant measure of the resistance to the NGNs. But this requires the petition to be impressively supported which brings us back to publicity. I would urge everyone to write, e-mail and generally spread the word anyway they can
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Reply #187 - Mar 8th, 2007 at 10:27am
 
I agree with everything Scatman says.

If the population at large became aware the problem would be resolved by the publicity and the impact from the public will cause the abandonment of these numbers.

Remember most of the public still think 0845 = local rate!

The signature rate is really slowing down now so we need more publicity. HOW?

It was on track to hit 50,000, but I'm not sure now, but it could easily do so if more people were aware.

However hitting that number in itself is of no use. As Scatman says it is a means to and end. This has to be picked up by the papers and broadcasters.

Even at the 30K level this is one of the most popular petitions and bearing in mind there was no formal organisation (we just found it there) this is very impressive.
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Reply #188 - Mar 8th, 2007 at 10:45am
 
I agree publicity is the key.   I believe this links to the thread about ITV & Premium rate competition lines etc but SOMETHING made people aware of that and then someone with influence became angry about it, OFCOM was kicked etc.   I found it staggering that there was all that fuss about the trivia of Big Brother, that people actually bother not just to watch that nonsense but to complain about it, then OFCOM was jolted into seeming to do something - what a waste of their time!   Does anyone have any contact with the media & could point out that it is all very well worrying about the cost of competition lines etc where to call or not is purely a matter of choice while the scandal of the use of covert premium rate numbers by companies and organisations where the caller has no choice is ignored?  I still believe the petition is important even if it ultimately doesn't achieve its objective because, and particularly if we can get publicity, perpetrators of NGNs will no longer be able to claim that people don't object.
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Reply #189 - Mar 8th, 2007 at 10:58am
 
I want to write to my local papers and MPs to (favourably) publicise this site and the petition. According to site rules, information on this site is copywrite protected and permission must be sought to use any of the content. I have sought permission by email, but so far have not received it. I am aware of the notice that all emails might not receive a reply. I am hoping that mine will, especially as I have the dubious pleasure of knowing three MPs personally .
Perhaps the copyright  aspect is also putting off other people from taking a similar action to what I propose.
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Reply #190 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 10:41am
 
The signatures have now dropped to a trickle (about 15 per hour) as most people who would have been aware have already signed.

How can we boost it. Will Martin Lewis re advertise it if we ask? Who has good contacts with him?

Any other ideas?
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Reply #191 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 11:53am
 
I asked Martin Lewis last week to continue to promote the Petition on his website and in his Newsletter until 4th April.  I will send a reminder again if you wish.

As to how to get the numbers up, I feel it could well be done by sending a chain letter as suggested by Dave a week ago.   I know some people on here don't like chain letters but I would suggest that the wording is key to not causing offense and getting support.   I wrote a personal letter to everyone on my own contact list and asked them to sign the Petition and to pass the message on to at least 10 people.  I know that some reacted positively to it and I am grateful to them.   

The example was set for us by the Road Pricing Petition.   I received a chain letter about that one and I had not known about that Petition previously.   They obviously sent it to Car Club Members and the like and it was effective -- 1.8 million votes!   After they got to half a million the media began to notice and report on it and then .....

I feel that contacting MPs, laudable though it is, will not in itself get us much publicity.    MPs might however be influential in pressurising OFCOM, ICSTIS etc. ... if we we identify what action we want them to take and set a clear and achievable objective.
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Reply #192 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 2:26pm
 
I have written to Martin Lewis again.  I am away now for the weekend.
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Re: SayNoTo0870.com E-Petition and MSE
Reply #193 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 2:59pm
 
Keith wrote on Mar 9th, 2007 at 10:41am:
The signatures have now dropped to a trickle (about 15 per hour) as most people who would have been aware have already signed.

How can we boost it. Will Martin Lewis re advertise it if we ask? Who has good contacts with him?

Any other ideas?

The May 2006 'sticky' thread on the Home Phones forum on MSE, which links to the MSE SayNoto0870 article and the June 2004 thread on the same subject, still gets regular posts (the latest - urging readers to sign the e-petition - was yesterday morning).
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Reply #194 - Mar 11th, 2007 at 10:14am
 
There is a popular saying that any publicity is good publicity, so anything we can do to bring this issiue to the public is a good thing. However, I don't think writing, or e-mailing for that matter, is much use in itself as people who are already annoyed about NGNs, and people who visit the site are quite likeley to have signed the petition already. What we need is to bring this to the attention of people who are using these numbers and are unaware of the rip-off, or who are aware and don't know there is an active protest movement. These are the the people outside this forum. These are the 'big numbers' we are missing out on. This means advising them in some detail about the extent and breadth of the rip off. I therefore repeat my request that someone on the forum provides some details about the exact costs of the various 08 combinations. Alternatively, if someone can point me at a website or other up-to-date research source, I will do the legwork myself. My aim is to produce a concise '08 for dummies' type peice that can be cut and pasted on to letters, e-mails and even leaflets ( I am considering a leaflet drop in my local paper) How many contributors are there to this forum? perhaps if we all donated just one pound, we could afford a newspaper ad? Now that would be a publicity blast!
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