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Reply #210 - Mar 23rd, 2007 at 12:14am
 
There is a separate petition relating to GP use of NGNs at http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/NGN-use-by-GPs/

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General Medical Practioners are being persuaded, by telephone equipment suppliers and service providers, to change from the use of local 01 and 02 geographic numbers to a non-geographic 0844 number to book an appointment and 0870 numbers for calls from overseas countries. The patient has to remember a 11 or 12 digit number as againt a 5 or 6 digit local call number. These numbers are also revenue sharing numbers and generate an income for the doctors surgery and/or the telephone service provider and encourage the queing of calls to generate extra revenue. It is not possible to make a 0870 call from most overseas counties and therefore you or a hospital will not beable to contact your doctor for information. After hours doctor services are also using the 0870 number for incoming calls This practice penalises the poor, elderly and other persons who do not have access to a home phone and must rely on a public phone box and is additional un-neccessary burden and cost on illness.
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So far, twenty signatures.
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Reply #211 - Mar 23rd, 2007 at 12:23am
 
idb wrote on Mar 23rd, 2007 at 12:14am:
There is a separate petition relating to GP use of NGNs at http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/NGN-use-by-GPs/

Deadline for this is 15 February 2008.

A search of the PM's petitions website for '0870' reveals others:

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Stop govenment offices like the DVLA using 0870 premium rate numbers to raise money

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Stop govenment offices like the DVLA using 0870 premium rate numbers to raise money.

The DVLA main enquiry telephone number is a 0870 number and so we are being charged to hang on while they tell us all about their services and leave us hanging on for a real person to answer. Yet more stealth tax!

Deadline 21 March 2008

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Ban the use of 0870 phone numbers

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Ban the use of 0870 phone numbers.

I want companies banned from using rip-off 0870 phone numbers, especially the companies that keep you on hold for several minutes & even hours listening to music & never getting thru to an operator at the cost of up to 10 pence per minute

Deadline: 15 February 2008
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Reply #212 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 4:48pm
 
Now the petition is closed and we have done so well what next? Surely something needs to go to OFCOM, the press, MPs..... to highlight the success
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Reply #213 - Apr 8th, 2007 at 5:18pm
 
Keith wrote on Apr 5th, 2007 at 4:48pm:
Now the petition is closed and we have done so well what next? Surely something needs to go to OFCOM, the press, MPs..... to highlight the success
I've mentioned this before and the fact is that due to the way in which the petition was written (ie force all companies/gov departments to release their underlying geographical number, etC) then there is no chance that anything would actually be done or taken seriously (IMHO).

I personally would have liked to have waited for the petition to close whilst it still unknown/unheard of and did a proper one which was more likely to achieve something.

However, many forum members wanted this petition to be signed which whilst it may have grabbed the attention of some newspaper articles, nothing serious would have been taken by the government.

The problem is now it's too late I believe because very few are likely to go through all the trouble of signing another e-petition having signed this one.

I have nothing against the owner who created the e-petition as it's what we would all like however the fact remains that NOTHING would ever have been done or taken seriously.
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Reply #214 - Apr 12th, 2007 at 6:02pm
 
I understood that the PM's office or the PM himself send an email reply to all people who signed a petition.  This gives a response to the petition.  I haven't seen anything on the 0870 petition yet.  Has anyone else?
Should we send a reminder to No. 10???
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Reply #215 - Apr 12th, 2007 at 7:39pm
 
I never received a response from No 10 on the road pricing petition which I signed, suspect it is this government's way of dealing with those who disagree - ignore them!!!   I did receive a response to another earlier petition opposing ID cards but that was the only one and I went through a stage (when "our" one was first publicised) of signing quite a few.   I would be very interested to know what is happening.
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Reply #216 - Apr 12th, 2007 at 8:24pm
 
Barbara wrote on Apr 12th, 2007 at 7:39pm:
I never received a response from No 10 on the road pricing petition which I signed..
I received a response back in February.

Did the PM actually say we would get a reply concerning the 08 e-petition?
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Reply #217 - Apr 13th, 2007 at 9:37am
 
I also  received a reply from the PM just after the Road Pricing Petition closed ---- but I have nothing on 'our' anti 0870 Petition.  I really want to see what the PM has to say about this, so I have sent a request for a response to No 10 --- now waiting with baited breath.
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Reply #218 - Apr 13th, 2007 at 7:45pm
 
The PM has responded to a Petition which has been running for just 24 hours and is not due to close until 12 June 2007 --- see the Petition asking for "the Prime Minister to name and sack the person responsible for declaring that members of the armed services can sell their stories to the media".  3359 votes.  And this has already been reported in the media!!!  He has also respondedto the Petitions about photography in public places and funding the Red Arrows and they are still running.

Obviously the PM will respond to a Petition if it is sufficiently contentious or political as soon as he wishes.  It gives some indication of how significant he thinks the anti 0870 Petition is -- no response yet.   Can I suggest that a few more people write to him asking for a response -- we don't want it to be just ignored do we??
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Reply #219 - Apr 13th, 2007 at 8:09pm
 
I have now looked at the full list of closed Petitions and guess what, they all have a Govt response except for ours and a few others.  Even petitions with a mere 100 or so votes!!!!!    Ours has nearly 43000 votes while the next largest with no response has 7944 votes!

Why is ours being ignored?  Obviously a difficult one for the PM/Govt to answer with all the issues which have been aired in this Forum.  This to my mind makes it all the more important that we press for a response.
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Reply #220 - Apr 14th, 2007 at 2:02pm
 
loddon wrote on Apr 13th, 2007 at 8:09pm:
I have now looked at the full list of closed Petitions and guess what, they all have a Govt response except for ours and a few others.  Even petitions with a mere 100 or so votes!!!!!    Ours has nearly 43000 votes while the next largest with no response has 7944 votes!

The list of closed petitions can be found here. They are sorted in orders of most signatures to least and show whether the Government has given a response. The Saynoto0870 petition is in third place.
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Reply #221 - Apr 16th, 2007 at 10:22pm
 
Could the message on our home page be changed to support the Petition against 0844 numbers at Medical Surgeries. ( now that the main Petition has closed -- although we are still waiting for a Government response). 

This anti 0844 Petition only has 66 signatures so far and needs more publicity.
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Reply #222 - Apr 16th, 2007 at 10:49pm
 
loddon wrote on Apr 16th, 2007 at 10:22pm:
Could the message on our home page be changed to support the Petition against 0844 numbers at Medical Surgeries. ( now that the main Petition has closed -- although we are still waiting for a Government response). 

This anti 0844 Petition only has 66 signatures so far and needs more publicity.

You mean http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/NGN-use-by-GPs/
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Reply #223 - Apr 16th, 2007 at 10:55pm
 
Yes Heinz,  taht is the Petition I am referring to.
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Reply #224 - May 21st, 2007 at 5:57pm
 
The Government Response to our Petition has now been published:-

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Thank you for the epetition about the use of non-geographic telephone numbers.

The first few digits of a UK telephone number are already intended to give a broad indication to the caller of the type of service and/or cost of the call. In general those numbers beginning 0870/0871 are the most expensive, 0844/45 in the middle range and 0800 Freephone free of charge.

There are various reasons why a company may choose to use an 08 number. It is for a company's own commercial judgement to decide what type of telephone number to use.

The independent Office of Communications (Ofcom) which is responsible for numbering policy, cannot dictate to companies what type of numbers they must use. Neither can they demand that they link their non-geographic numbers to a local number.

But Ofcom knows that consumers have concerns that 084 and 087 numbers are increasingly being used by businesses as a higher priced alternative to ordinary geographic telephone numbers. Ofcom undertook a major review of its policy on these numbers and last April published a statement setting out a package of consumer-friendly measures.

These include introducing a new range of 03 non-geographic numbers which will cost no more than geographic rates and restoring the link between the 0870 prefix and the actual rates charged by telecoms companies for national rate calls.

These new measures are being introduced over time so, for instance, the introduction of 03 numbers has already started and the alignment of 0870 costs with national rates will come into effect in January 2008. These measures should result in considerably lower prices for consumers. The website address for the Ofcom document is:

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/statement

Ofcom is also extending the regulation of Premium Rate Numbers to 0871 numbers because of concerns that companies are increasingly using them and charging the caller much higher rates for services such as weather forecasts and sports' information. Consultation will take place this year but the main aim will be to ensure customers know how much it will cost them to call 0871 numbers.

You might also be re-assured to know that the Government advised two years ago all its departments and agencies against their own use of 0870 numbers.

By no means all Departments did use 0870 numbers, but where they did, they should now have been replaced with either geographical, 0845 (local rate) or 0800 numbers.


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