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Reply #15 - Jan 17th, 2007 at 4:14pm
 
Don't think it worth my while for the calls I make, will just stay with the free web based ones above and the free 01/02 numbers I will get shortly via Virgin.net W/E and eves, also 1899,18866.18185 for the other times.
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Reply #16 - Jan 17th, 2007 at 4:43pm
 
derrick wrote on Jan 17th, 2007 at 4:14pm:
Don't think it worth my while for the calls I make, will just stay with the free web based ones above and the free 01/02 numbers I will get shortly via Virgin.net W/E and eves, also 1899,18866.18185 for the other times.


I think I may have to move to one of the free in the evening and weekend outfits after this latest blow.
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Reply #17 - Jan 17th, 2007 at 4:59pm
 
Webcalldirect is not truly free there is a connection charge of approximately 3p a call. Your get a few free calls to start with but then they will expect you to buy some credit.
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Reply #18 - Jan 17th, 2007 at 5:01pm
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Jan 17th, 2007 at 4:43pm:
derrick wrote on Jan 17th, 2007 at 4:14pm:
Don't think it worth my while for the calls I make, will just stay with the free web based ones above and the free 01/02 numbers I will get shortly via Virgin.net W/E and eves, also 1899,18866.18185 for the other times.


I think I may have to move to one of the free in the evening and weekend outfits after this latest blow.


Not Sky i hope with its 0870 customer service number.   Smiley
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Reply #19 - Jan 17th, 2007 at 5:22pm
 
acezing wrote on Jan 17th, 2007 at 5:01pm:
Not Sky i hope with its 0870 customer service number.   Smiley

I was thinking of Primus Saver Option 2, although to be honest most of my volume of calls is to businesses in the weekday daytime so this wouldn't make much of a difference.  The good thing about Primus is that there is no long contract period tie in.
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Reply #20 - Jan 17th, 2007 at 6:06pm
 
Hopefully this will answer some queries raised here, but in no set order.
Answers given come from personal experience.

1 - It's 0.05 euro connection fee, about 3p, for callback ONLY. Ie you talk via your landline, but activated from your pc.

2 - Connection via pc softphone is free to all destinations.

3 - All calls charged at appropriate rate per minute, by the minute. ie 3 secs over = 1 min extra.

4 - 300 mins max free calls in a revolving 7 day period. Read it properly to avoid getting caught out. 7 day consecutive period, NOT a calender week.

5 - Calls will last a max of 60 mins. You will be cut off by the system. Redial, as many times as required, is permitted, at the appropriate connection fees. Points 1 & 2

6 - It's not Fineara any more. This set of services is now run by Betamax.

7 - Before joining any branch of this tree, look at http://backsla.sh/betamax. This is a very comprehensive table giving the price to call each country. List the countries you are likely to dial, then compare with the site for the most appropriate service to fit your personal needs. NOTE - THE PRICES ON BACKSLASH ARE IN EURO.

8 - If you can register from a foreign ip address, your stand a good chance of getting a free voip in number, appropriate to that country. Due to some telecom laws in some countries about actual location not being advertised on the call, you can't always get a free number. UK is now one.
eg - I joined voipstunt, got a free number based in Coventry. If I log in from Hungary and dial via softphone, it would appear on your phone that I was in UK, with little chance of locating me if the calls were abusive etc.
FROM EXPERIENCE you can register voipcheap in Hungary and still get a free number. This might still work for Eastern European countries that have yet to catch up.

One scenario
You have friends in Hungary.
It's still bldy expensive from there to here via normal lines. (Scratch cards do exist & are cheaper)
You register with voipcheap and get a free Hungarian landline number.
Give the friends the number.
Activate call divert from within your voipcheap settings to divert to your UK LAND number.
Diverted calls appear to be charged at softphone rates. So..... they can speak to my bird, 1500 miles away. from their land or mobile, for standard land rates as applicable to their personal tariff. The minutes come from your allowance.

9 - I think the bit about unique ip address is relevant to each branch of the tree. So you can't have 2 voipCHEAP accounts, but you could have a voipCHEAP and a voipSTUNT operating at the same time. Experience says that seems to work.

Think I've covered it, but reread point 4.
Scenario
Monday 01 of the month you make 200 mins of free calls.
Tuesday 02 of the month you make 100 mins of free calls.
You do not want to make a call until Sunday the 7th. All 300 mins used. You now pay at the going rate.
If you didn't do that call on Sunday 7th, but waited until Monday 8th you would now have 200 mins available.
Etc.
You really don't want to have to write down all the times you've spent. So allow yourself 42 mins per day if in constant 7 day use, and roll over any unused minutes towards the rest of the week, divided by 7.
For every day you don't ring you could carry 6 mins over on top of your average.
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Reply #21 - Jan 18th, 2007 at 11:46am
 
acezing wrote on Jan 17th, 2007 at 4:59pm:
Webcalldirect is not truly free there is a connection charge of approximately 3p a call. Your get a few free calls to start with but then they will expect you to buy some credit.



Yesterday I made  9 calls totalling 32 minutes and have not been charged anything,(not even a conn fee), my "remaining credit" is €0.00 and the amount at the side of each call in the call register is FREE*, the  ( * ) relates the the following at the bottom of the page
[color=#0066cc]* Registered members get a maximum of 300 minutes per week of free calls, measured over the last 7 days. Unused free minutes cannot be taken to the following week(s). If limit is exceeded the normal rates apply. With your FREE DAYS you can call for free to all the destinations listed as free! when you have no FREE DAYS left the normal rates apply. You can get extra Freedays by buying credit
[/color]  I can see no reason why I would be charged unless they change the T&Cs.
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Reply #22 - Jan 18th, 2007 at 12:27pm
 
derrick,

What do you use as your PC telephone handset or headset?
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Reply #23 - Jan 18th, 2007 at 12:45pm
 
Derrick
Read points 1 & 2 of my last post.
It would appear you spoke through a phone / headset plugged directly into the computer, and used the softphone software supplied.

You are only charged a connection fee if you activate callback from your pc.
You would do this if you had a slow connection, a busy pc or didn't want an echo (it does happen)
You would then enter your personal phone number in the first box  (callback number), and the target in the second.
Your phone rings.
You pick up
You get charged 0.05 euro
Their phone rings
They pick up
You then get charged per minute at the appropriate rate, whether it is free or 20p per min etc.
Remember to ALWAYS kill the call using the disconnect button on the software.
Putting the land phone down is not always good enough. The call would still be live, you will still be charged.
Experience talking.
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Reply #24 - Jan 18th, 2007 at 11:48pm
 
As Very Nice Man points out you only pay the 0.05 euro cents connection if your using the callback from your pc.which i incorrectly thought you were doing.

However you they not continue to allow you to  get free calls for ever,at some stage they will stop them.They will then require you to purchase some credit, to buy free days to reach the free destinations.

"Registered members get a maximum of 300 minutes per week of free calls, measured over the last 7 days and per unique IP address. Unused free minutes cannot be taken to the following week(s). If limit is exceeded the normal rates apply. With your FREE DAYS you can call for free to all the destinations listed as free! when you have no FREE DAYS left the normal rates apply. You can get extra Freedays by buying credit "
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Reply #25 - Jan 19th, 2007 at 11:13am
 
I use my normal I do not have a soft phone, I put both numbers,(my number and the called number into the boxes on screen, then click on call, my house phone rings, I pick it up, the ringing tone is then heard in my home phone, and the recipient picks up, I then have the conversation and replace my handset, it appears I then have to click on "disconnect" on screen as it is still clocking up seconds. And that is how I have been using it.

NGMsGhost, as you can see I do not have a phone plugged into my computer.
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Reply #26 - Jan 19th, 2007 at 1:16pm
 
derrick wrote on Jan 19th, 2007 at 11:13am:
I use my normal I do not have a soft phone, I put both numbers,(my number and the called number into the boxes on screen, then click on call, my house phone rings, I pick it up, the ringing tone is then heard in my home phone, and the recipient picks up, I then have the conversation and replace my handset, it appears I then have to click on "disconnect" on screen as it is still clocking up seconds. And that is how I have been using it.

NGMsGhost, as you can see I do not have a phone plugged into my computer.


But you ought to be charged 5 Euro cents a call (about 3.5p per call) if you use the service in this way if I understand their terms & conditions and what others have said correctly? Huh Undecided

Or does this only happen after you have exceeded 300 minutes of use in the last 7 day period?
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Reply #27 - Jan 19th, 2007 at 3:06pm
 
Can confirm that voipstunt charges with every callback, irrespective of time left.
Looks like we need to sign up with webcall!
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Reply #28 - Jan 19th, 2007 at 3:10pm
 
A couple more comments about the Betamax companies -

As acezing already said, there is a certain amount of use allowed as a free trial after which you'll be expected to subscribe, so you can't expect to have free calls forever.

Once subscribed, and when using the callback, remember that it is two calls that are using up your 300 free minutes a week, so ...

derrick wrote on Jan 18th, 2007 at 11:46am:
acezing wrote on Jan 17th, 2007 at 4:59pm:
Webcalldirect is not truly free there is a connection charge of approximately 3p a call. Your get a few free calls to start with but then they will expect you to buy some credit.



Yesterday I made  9 calls totalling 32 minutes and have not been charged anything,(not even a conn fee), my "remaining credit" is €0.00 and the amount at the side of each call in the call register is FREE*, the  ( * ) relates the the following at the bottom of the page
[color=#0066cc]* Registered members get a maximum of 300 minutes per week of free calls, measured over the last 7 days. Unused free minutes cannot be taken to the following week(s). If limit is exceeded the normal rates apply. With your FREE DAYS you can call for free to all the destinations listed as free! when you have no FREE DAYS left the normal rates apply. You can get extra Freedays by buying credit
[/color]  I can see no reason why I would be charged unless they change the T&Cs.

... I think you need to read this again. You can get extra Freedays by buying credit, so until you do you don't have 300 minutes a week. We'd be interested to know how long your free trial lasts though.


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Reply #29 - Jan 19th, 2007 at 5:44pm
 
Since 19th January 2007,( whenI registered with WebCallDirect ), I have made 11 calls, 3 of which show FREE but no time duration, I think these where calls that did not connect as they had zero time duration, the others total just over 36 minutes duration, I have NOT been charged for any of those calls.
The way I read the T&Cs is that once you register you have 300 minutes per week FREE,if you exceed this you will be charged, however that will involve buying credit, at this moment I have NOT bought any credit.


NGMsGhost, your quote, " Or does this only happen after you have exceeded 300 minutes of use in the last 7 day period?"  @ reply #26 is how I understand it to work.

andy9  I will let you know if/when they ask me to buy credit.

The part in blue in  my reply #21 backs up my understanding of it, as it says:- If limit is exceeded the normal rates apply. therefore if I don't exceed the limit it should be free, and up to now it has been, only time will tell.

Does anyone know what the minimum credit purchase is?


Just had a look  here is an example:-

Please select an amount::
You pay        Credit you receive      You will receive
£ 1.50                     £ 1.77                     14 Freedays!      

* Credit balance on your account will be shown in Euro's. Differences may occur due to fluctuations in exchange rates.


That is the example that came up when I went to buy credit, it did not give me another option!
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