Maxadolf wrote on May 22^nd, 2007 at 1:17pm:

I presume that when you say "0450", you are referring to 0845 numbers.

The issues that surround to 0870 also surround 0845 to a lesser degree. But in principle they should be done away with as they are at the moment because the foundation that they have been built on is "local rate". Similarly, 0870 has been known as "national rate".

The very reason that these 0845 numbers cannot be included in inclusive minutes and often cost more than a call to an 01/02 number where these calls are chargeable is because they do have so-called micro-payments. It is more common to find that this is not shared with the receiving party with 0845 than 0870, but the telco providing the NGN does charge more than for 01/02.

Have a look at some of the pages linked to from Useful Information & Say no to 0870! Hot Topics.

Dave and NGMsGhost,

Many thanks for your helpful reply.  You're right, I did mean 0845: my mistake!

kk wrote on May 22^nd, 2007 at 8:06pm:

See http://www.saynoto0870.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1168434954 (post #6).

kk wrote on May 22^nd, 2007 at 10:01pm:


Tony may get a shock after he leaves office and he no longer has a government funded satellite or mobile phone always to hand.

I wonder how much a call to an 084 or 087 number from a satellite phone costs compared to a call to an 01 or 02?

Well, I am astonished!   Neither my husband nor I (who both signed this epetition as well as some others on the site) have had the courtesy of ANY response from Downing Street (to ANY of the epetitions signed)- what have we done (except perhaps be the wrong political colour?!)   That, to me, as much as the "inaccuracies" (strongest I dare use - in the Blair/Brown suveillance society you never know who's monitoring your messages!!) in the posted response, is an indication of the total contempt with which this Government treats citizens and, of course, that attitude filters down through all staff in all departments and provides absolutely no incentive whatsoever for civil servants to put the individual at the centre of their way of working.   I really do despair at times as there seems an impenetrable web making it impossible for anything to be changed unless it is the expressed will of the government.

I wonder how?  Why??

When the Petition closed it had accrued 42,957 signatories.  It now has 43,002!!!!

Keeps on growing!!  You can't keep a real issue down!!!

Thanks NGM for your explanation.

I calculate 45 new votes have been added since the Petition closing date.  I expect there will be a few more yet.

Another example of Bliar's spin where  he states in his response to the petition against 0870 numbers, that Government Departments have been instructed to provide alternate geographic numbers.  The invitation to renew your tax disc by phone gives the sole number as 0870 850 4444.   That's three  government agencies that I have needed to contact in recent weeks to renew or acquire something: Land Registry (for downloading land titles where there is a problem of their making), DVLA  for road tax by phone and  setting up a DD for TV Licence renewal.

If there was a law agin lying by politicians then Bliar would be given a life sentence for his numerous barefaced misrepresentations, some of which cost British lives!  The man is so out of touch with his job and has failed to listen to the electorate.  And even as I write, he is galavanting on a massive, overseas ego trip at tax-payers' expense whilst his successor avoids doing the job that he was crowned to do lest it upsets  the spin-doctor-in-chief during the "transition".   This country has become a rudderless liability because of the weakness of Brown and  the international joy-riding by a terminally incompetent and lying PM.