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Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084
Reply #150 - Mar 21st, 2009 at 6:24pm
 
Dave wrote on Mar 13th, 2009 at 9:08pm:
If anyone would like to go along to the consultation event on Thursday, then please drop them an email. Details here.

The event is at Bonhill House, 1-3 Bonhill Street, London, EC2A 4BX from 1.30pm to 4.30pm.


Unfortunately I have only just read this as I was not subscribed to the thread and anyhow the forum is unreliable about sending update emails, even to those who are subscribed.

I wish loddon or SCV had contacted me about this by email as I would certainly have been up for going along and I am surprised that they would not also have wanted to attend given that this was event was held in London.  Still too late now and the opportunity has sadly passed. Sad

Did any of the likely suspects from this campaign attend the Consultation event? If not, why not as unlike me you clearly did know about it.
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Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084
Reply #151 - Mar 21st, 2009 at 10:16pm
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Mar 21st, 2009 at 6:24pm:
I wish loddon or SCV had contacted me about this by email as I would certainly have been up for going along and I am surprised that they would not also have wanted to attend given that this was event was held in London.  Still too late now and the opportunity has sadly passed. Sad

Did any of the likely suspects from this campaign attend the Consultation event? If not, why not as unlike me you clearly did know about it.
Seems the event was cancelled:

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Consultations/Liveconsultations/DH_091879

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Please note that the public meeting scheduled for 19 March 2009 has been cancelled because of the low number of people registering to attend. Please note that everyone who originally accepted the invitation to attend the afternoon (public) session has been contacted to inform them of this change and to make alternative arrangements to hear their views. The morning session (industry) will proceed as originally planned.
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Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084
Reply #152 - Mar 21st, 2009 at 11:25pm
 
idb wrote on Mar 21st, 2009 at 10:16pm:
Seems the event was cancelled:

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Consultations/Liveconsultations/DH_091879

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Please note that the public meeting scheduled for 19 March 2009 has been cancelled because of the low number of people registering to attend. Please note that everyone who originally accepted the invitation to attend the afternoon (public) session has been contacted to inform them of this change and to make alternative arrangements to hear their views. The morning session (industry) will proceed as originally planned.


If I had known it was on I would have demanded my right to attend the "industry" session instead since I am sure the representatives from DH etc would have been precisely the same.

Why were there two events to begin with.  Presumably because the greedy doctors did not want their concerns about loss of revenue share heard in front of the great British public. Wink Shocked Angry
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Reply #153 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 2:34pm
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Mar 21st, 2009 at 11:25pm:
If I had known it was on I would have demanded my right to attend the "industry" session instead since I am sure the representatives from DH etc would have been precisely the same.

Why were there two events to begin with.  Presumably because the greedy doctors did not want their concerns about loss of revenue share heard in front of the great British public.


Many see this, as indeed other consultation processes, as a waste of time and effort. I understand that the Department of Health took reasonable steps to invite all those who had expressed a clear interest in the process, from all points of view. I understand that the reason for there being two events planned initially was to enable technical discussion of issues relating to the way in which advanced telephone features can be delivered in the one session, with other and general issues to be discussed in the other. I understand that there were no specific qualifying criteria, other than a readiness and ability to contribute.

For those engaged in and following the consultation process, a public announcement of the meetings was seen on the consultation web page. This was brought to the attention of print and broadcast media likely to have an interest. A posting was also made on the thread in this forum covering the consultation process, as follows:

SilentCallsVictim wrote on Mar 6th, 2009 at 3:12pm:
Further to the main consultation process the Department of Health has now announced that there will be two public "events" on 19 March 2009 in London. One for the telecomms industry, the other for "others",

These events, which are announced here, are intended to help inform the consultation process.


What turned in a single event was nothing more than a further opportunity for those with something to say to contribute to the public consultation process. All these contributions, which were made after other contributers had agreed to respect confidentiality, will be noted alongside responses made in writing.

I would not be betraying any confidence to offer my assurance that the Department of Health is fully aware of what is going on. There are many in the telecomms industry who are able to point out that the only serious reason for a GP using a 084 telephone number is to benefit from the revenue share. I can say that they would have had an opportunity to express this view in very strong and clear terms at the event.
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Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084
Reply #154 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 4:36pm
 
SilentCallsVictim wrote on Mar 23rd, 2009 at 2:34pm:
What turned in a single event was nothing more than a further opportunity for those with something to say to contribute to the public consultation process. All these contributions, which were made after other contributers had accepted to respect confidentiality, will be noted alongside those made in writing.

I would not be betraying any confidence to offer my assurance that the Department of Health is fully aware of what is going on. There are many in the telecomms industry who are able to point out that the only serious reason for a GP using a 084 telephone number is to benefit from the revenue share. I can say that they would have had an opportunity to express this view in very strong and clear terms at the event.


As so often SCV you clearly exceed even my own prodigious abilities to use five words where only one word would do. Wink Tongue

However cutting to the chase, as they say across the pond, did you or loddon actually attend this event and if so what did you learn from it?  Were there presentations and then a question and answer session or quite what exactly?
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Reply #155 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 5:25pm
 
We must recognise that this is a public forum and so those who are constrained by a commitment to confidentiality must honour this commitment. Please indulge what could be seen as a roundabout way of answering questions that cannot be addressed directly.

I can reveal that representatives of a well known provider of surgery telephone systems were present at the location and had registered to participate in the event before I arrived. Just before the meeting began there were no representatives of this company present. I am genuinely unaware of any reason for this change of mind having been offered.

I can only report that the purpose of the meeting was simply to receive input from the participants on issues relevant to the consultation, using only the generally published material. In the context of a public consultation exercise it would not have been appropriate for the DH to release any further information about its thinking than was placed in the public domain anyway.
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Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084
Reply #156 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 2:02am
 
A news piece dated 6 Aprill covering the No 10 petition is found in Healthcare Republic:

Petition urges ban of 08 numbers in NHS

The comments that have been added make this worthy of inclusion in this thread.
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Reply #157 - Apr 19th, 2009 at 8:39pm
 
Remember to sign the petition to the Prime Minister. Over the last day or so its grown by about 200. The total is now over 15,000 !!!!

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Healthtelephone/
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Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084
Reply #158 - Apr 19th, 2009 at 9:06pm
 
Dave wrote on Apr 19th, 2009 at 8:39pm:
Remember to sign the petition to the Prime Minister. Over the last day or so its grown by about 200. The total is now over 15,000 !!!!

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Healthtelephone/


Its now No.11 by size out of the currently open petitions on the 10 Downing Street website.

While you are there don't forget to also sign the petition opposing the proposed blanket lowering of the National Speed Limit on single carriageway roads in non street lit rural areas from 60mph to 50mph.

See http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/noNSLreduction/
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Reply #159 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 11:59am
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Apr 19th, 2009 at 9:06pm:
While you are there don't forget to also sign the petition opposing the proposed blanket lowering of the National Speed Limit on single carriageway roads in non street lit rural areas from 60mph to 50mph.

See http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/noNSLreduction/

Is this the proposal that the national speed limit will be reduced to 50mph or is the proposal to introduce more 50mph limits where currently they are national speed limit?
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Reply #160 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 12:39pm
 
Dave wrote on Apr 21st, 2009 at 11:59am:
Is this the proposal that the national speed limit will be reduced to 50mph or is the proposal to introduce more 50mph limits where currently they are national speed limit?


This is the proposal that the National Speed Limit (black diagonal stripe on white background traffic sign) on all non single carriageway roads currently signed as such should fall from 60mph to 50mph.  There are numerous major A roads where 60mph is a perfectly safe speed, although of course many minor country roads that are perhaps not safe for 60mph also used to all be National Speed Limit.  But the local highways authority can and in recent years very frequently has reduced the limit on such minor roads to a lower limit using a local Traffic Sign Order.

This proposal seems to be part of a New Labour obsession with trying to make everyone driving a potential criminal (since on many of the  single carriageway roads the natural safe speed of traffic is well above 50mph) so that the increase in driver numbers is slowed down and they don't have to build any more roads.  They play disgraceful games with statistics to try to pretend they will save lives but all they will actually do is cots the economy billions in longer journey times and increase the risk of anyone who drives for a living losing their livelihood for at least 6 months (if they are banned through totting up) or indeed for good, since many employers of professional drivers would not hire someone who had received a driving ban.  Don't forget they also propose to give an automatic 6 point fixed penalty to anyone caught travelling more than 20mph over the speed limit in the near future.  No allowance is made for the number of miles a year anyone drives so anyone who drives all the time for a living faces an Orwellian nightmare of trying not to lose their license.
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Reply #161 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 1:09pm
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Apr 21st, 2009 at 12:39pm:
This is the proposal that the National Speed Limit (black diagonal stripe on white background traffic sign) on all non single carriageway roads currently signed as such should fall from 60mph to 50mph. …

This was not what was reported on BBC News at One today. They said that local authorities are being given stronger advice on speed limits and in that they are encouraged to put 50mph limits where previously it would have been national speed limit.  Undecided
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Reply #162 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 1:50pm
 
Dave wrote on Apr 21st, 2009 at 1:09pm:
This was not what was reported on BBC News at One today. They said that local authorities are being given stronger advice on speed limits and in that they are encouraged to put 50mph limits where previously it would have been national speed limit.  Undecided


Perhaps the government is back tracking then due to the huge outcry (including by Highways authorities) against the original proposal floated to make all NSL limits on single carriageways 50mph.

In reality they will still make it near compulsory by threatening to cut highways funding for highways authority who do not change most of their NSL limits to 50mph.  Having said that the costs of resigning all NSL limited areas to 50mph would be very substantial so most highways authorities would also have to take that in to account.  Also a 50mph limit has to have repeater signs when an NSL limit does not need repeater signs (as it is the default limit on a single carriageway) so perhaps this means that a fair few single carriageway roads will remain at 60mph.  Hopefully this government will be kicked out though before there is a chance for any more of their lunatic anti motorist policies (actively encouraged by a small minority of hypocritical zealots in the Police like Richard Brunstrom and Meredydd Hughes) to actually be fully implemented.
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Reply #163 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 1:56pm
 
The Telegraph reports it as NSL on single carriageway being reduced to 50mph.  Perhaps they are suggesting a few high quality long distance A roads with less accidents can stay at 60mph but these will now be signed 60mph instead of NSL.

See www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/5191001/A-road-speed-limits-t...

The costs of resigning loads of currently NSL roads to 50mph would be huge so highways authorities will want to avoid that.
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Reply #164 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 2:28pm
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Apr 21st, 2009 at 1:50pm:
… Having said that the costs of resigning all NSL limited areas to 50mph would be very substantial so most highways authorities would also have to take that in to account.  Also a 50mph limit has to have repeater signs when an NSL limit does not need repeater signs (as it is the default limit on a single carriageway) …

This was what I was thinking.

Sure, where there is good case, then reduce the speed limit. I know of some examples of where this has been done. But speed is the responsibility of the driver.

Signs such as 'N' bend or bend to right/left warn where speed needs to be reduced (where one is driving at the limit). Will these bends all have slower speed limits imposed such as 40mph or 30mph because going round them at 50 or 60mph is dangerous?
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