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PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 0844 (Read 247,368 times)

irrelevant Senior Member Offline Posts: 409	Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084 Reply #90 - Jan 25^th, 2008 at 6:09pm I was just on the petition site, as i got an email about a response to another one I had signed, and this one is now at #5 on the front page! 25693 signatures.
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Dave Global Moderator Offline Posts: 9,902 Yorkshire Gender:	Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084 Reply #91 - Feb 4^th, 2008 at 9:05pm Nearly 27 thousand signatures and less than two weeks to go!
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Dave Global Moderator Offline Posts: 9,902 Yorkshire Gender:	Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084 Reply #92 - Feb 14^th, 2008 at 2:51pm Deadline is tomorrow.
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Reply #93 - Feb 16^th, 2008 at 8:34am

Yet again the Prime Minister has ignored a Petition asking for action to be taken about exploitation of the public by the telecoms industry.

I have sent the following letter to the PM by email and post. I believe everyone who reads this Forum should send a similar message to the PM. It is an outrage and a disgrace that the PM again ignores such an important Petition. Please write to the PM asap and make sure a copy goes to your MP.

Dear Prime Minister,

The Petition to prevent GPs using 0844/5 numbers finished several days ago. Where is the Government response? It is very very disappointing that yet again an important question of a publicly funded body or group exploiting the public by means of the telecoms industry which has attracted many thousands of signatures has not been answered. It appears that the Government is dismissing public opinion and denigrating the public in favour of the telecommunications industry.

This Petition has been receiving about a thousand signatures per week recently so there is undoubtedly massive public concern with this issue. An answer should have been available as soon as the Petition closed if not before as this matter needs very urgent attention. The Secretary of State for Health, Alan Johnson said in the House recently that he believes that GPs are in breach of their contract by using these numbers to generate fees for their NHS services. 67 MPs have signed the EDM 108 "calling on the Secretary of State to put an end to it with immediate effect."

Please provide an answer immediately
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Reply #94 - Feb 16^th, 2008 at 1:11pm

[loddon wrote on Feb 16^th, 2008 at 8:34am:

Dear Prime Minister,

It may be that the proper procedure, preparing a response to all signatories once the petition is closed, was only started when the petition closed yesterday. That is however no reason not to press the points as suggested, so as to ensure that the response is comprehensive.

One may add that this case is different to others which are simply exploitation, as it breaches the fundamental principle of the NHS being "free at the point of need" - a point that was sadly missed from the text of the petition and the additional detail.

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Reply #95 - Feb 26^th, 2008 at 12:37am

SilentCallsVictim wrote on Feb 16^th, 2008 at 1:11pm:

It may be that the proper procedure, preparing a response to all signatories once the petition is closed, was only started when the petition closed yesterday.

There have been several other petitions that the Prime Minister's office was more confident could be easily kicked in to touch that have received patronising responses several weeks or months before they closed.

I suppose one could hope the delay is because when the response comes it will propose concrete action but somehow I very much doubt it given the government's previous record in tacictly endorsing all of these 084/7 abuses.

Still no reply as yet from stonwall Brown I take it?

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Reply #96 - Feb 26^th, 2008 at 1:19am

NGMsGhost wrote on Feb 26^th, 2008 at 12:37am:

Still no reply as yet from stonwall Brown I take it?

A response at this time would be likely to simply refer to the fact that the Department of Health is "collecting evidence" and will publish a report at the end of March, as has been reported.

I have been told that evidence directed for the attention of Ivan Lewis, Under-Secretary of State at the Department - dhmail@dh.gsi.gov.uk, will receive attention. It is too much to hope that each signatory will be invited to submit evidence. It was initially solicited only from MPs.

I have been waiting to see if the other 9 SHAs will follow the example of South East Coast SHA in commissioning an on-line patient survey on use of 084 numbers.

Given that something is likely to emerge at the end of March, the next few weeks should be used as an opportunity for those who believe in the possibility of some sort of positive outcome to seek to apply political pressure.

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Dave Global Moderator Offline Posts: 9,902 Yorkshire Gender:	Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084 Reply #97 - Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 12:37pm It looks like the PM is ignoring this one.
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jgxenite Supreme Member Offline Help us to help you - read the instructions!! Posts: 1,454 Gender:	Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084 Reply #98 - Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 12:47pm Dave wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 12:37pm: It looks like the PM is ignoring this one. Are you really surprised, considering the government is the biggest abusers of 08xx numbers?
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Heinz Supreme Member Offline Posts: 1,362 Essex	Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084 Reply #99 - Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 12:48pm Dave wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 12:37pm: It looks like the PM is ignoring this one. What a surprise! Too busy filling in his expenses claim forms, no doubt.
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sherbert Supreme Member Offline Posts: 2,011 Gender:	Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084 Reply #100 - Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 1:06pm Do they actually take any notice of petitions? I would rather doubt it.
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Re: PETITION to No. 10 - Prevent doctors using 084
Reply #101 - Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 1:11pm

sherbert wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 1:06pm:

Do they actually take any notice of petitions?
I would rather doubt it.

It would appear to me that only petitions that seem to be obviously critical of the government or "public services" (such as the BBC) get a response. Ones from "crazy radicals" (like us Grin

) don't really bother them.

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Reply #102 - Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 1:54pm

jgxenite wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 1:11pm:

It would appear to me that only petitions that seem to be obviously critical of the government or "public services" (such as the BBC) get a response. Ones from "crazy radicals" (like us Grin

) don't really bother them.

I wonder what happened to loddon's letter to the PM.

I hope he has not last heart after the disappointing outcome at the Information Tribunal re NHS Direct.

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Reply #103 - Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 4:19pm

A reply today would report that the Department of Health has undertaken an evidence gathering exercise which concluded three das ago. This is currently being considered and advice of the action that is to be taken is expected shortly.

If anyone doubts that the petition is not being considered as part of this "evidence" they should contact the PM, the Department of Health or any of the three DoH Ministers who have referred to this (Johnson, Bradshaw and Lewis).

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GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO THE PETITION
Reply #104 - Apr 8^th, 2008 at 3:01pm

The government's response to the petition is now being sent by email.

It contains the expected "IT'S THEM, NOT US, HONEST" weasel words:

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Responsibility for provision of local health services now rests with local NHS organisations as they have the specific knowledge and expertise that makes them best placed to plan, develop and improve services according to the needs of the local population. The provision of telephone services for patients and the public is therefore a matter for the local NHS.

However, the message from the Department of Health has made it very clear to NHS organisations that patients should not be expected to pay more than the equivalent of a local call to contact their GPs.

NHS organisations have a duty to ensure that they provide the best possible service to their local populations. We expect Primary Care Trusts and GPs to ensure locally that telephone systems do not place a financial burden on patients.

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After years of ignoring govt. guidelines & RIPPING OFF Council Tax payers using 0845 numbers, Essex County Council changed to 0345 numbers on 2 November 2015

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