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Reply #210 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 6:14pm
 
Source: North Wales Police Authority

http://www.nwalespa.org/Portals/57ad7180-c5e7-49f5-b282-c6475cdb7ee7/PACF/Denbig...

Denbighshire PACF

Ruthin

8th January 2009

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Cost of phoning the police:

Mr Clive Hunt expressed discontentment at having to pay to phone the police in a non-emergency. It was explained to Mr Hunt that the 0845 number is charged at a local rate, and there are times when he can see someone face to face at Ruthin Police Station.

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Why do these people persist with this nonsense?  Angry Cry
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Reply #211 - Apr 22nd, 2009 at 9:53pm
 
Source: Hull City Council

http://www.hullcc.ukcouncil.net/document/03_Apr_09_1.doc

MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL

3rd April, 2009

(1.00 p.m.)

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Humberside Police Telephone Numbers.

Notice of Motion to be moved by Councillor FAREHAM:


Council is aware the Department of Health is currently consulting on a ban on "revenue sharing" telephone numbers starting 084x. Council is further aware that seven police forces now use 03xx telephone numbers, which are non geographical and provide the same functionality as 084x numbers and do not levy a fee, but that Humberside Police is not one of them.

Council requests its representatives on the Humberside Police Authority urge favourable consideration to be given to seek a review of the number used by the Humberside Police Force and asks them to consider the appropriateness of using a telephone number which is effectively a "stealth tax" on victims of crime.

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Reply #212 - Apr 23rd, 2009 at 3:13pm
 
Source: Telegraph.co.uk - Mutton Jeff blog

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/mutton_jeff/blog/2009/03/18/0845_nonemergency_calls

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0845 Non-Emergency Calls
Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 08:59 PM GMT [General]

I'm not sure about the rest of the country, or even in my own area, but it was reported today that the Norfolk Police made £7000 in 4 years from their 0845 non-emergency number. I had occasion to call my local police some time ago and I was told to use an 0845 number rather than clog up the 999 system. I was kept on hold for a long time and I didn't get much help anyway. I later complained that it was costing me money to ask for help on a public service for which I paid council tax and I was told that it was a 'not  charged local call'. I accepted that, but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone know if Norfolk is the exception, or are all 'at it'?
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Reply #213 - May 4th, 2009 at 2:54pm
 
Source: Northamptonshire Police FOI Response, February 2009

http://northants.police.uk/files/documents/Freedom%20of%20Information/Lists%20an...


"Northamptonshire Police plan to move towards an 0300 number in April 2009."
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Reply #214 - May 4th, 2009 at 3:09pm
 
http://www.northants.police.uk/files/documents/Chief%20Officer%20Group%20-%20Dec...

NORTHAMPTONSHIRE POLICE
CHIEF OFFICERS’ GROUP
DECISION RECORD – 17 AND 18 DECEMBER 2008

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13      03000 NUMBER

Bob Smart in attendance.  Update in relation to use of an 03000 number.  Work ongoing in the first instance for a regional 03 SNEN, or alternative number.  If this option is not workable, the Force will look to implement a new 03000 number.  An implementation and marketing team would need to be formed in order to oversee such a piece of work.

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Reply #215 - May 5th, 2009 at 8:07pm
 
Source: Northants Evening Telegraph

http://www.northantset.co.uk/news/New-nonemergency-police-number-launches.523521...

New non-emergency police number launches tomorrow

Published Date:  05 May 2009

Northamptonshire Police is launching a new non-emergency telephone number tomorrow.

The new number for all non-emergency calls to the Force will be 03000 111 222.

This is the new single countywide telephone number to call Northamptonshire Police for all non-emergency matters.

People can call 03000 111 222 at any time, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The existing telephone numbers will be gradually phased out but will still connect to police until people get used to the new number.

Calls from any network will cost no more than those to 01 or 02 numbers and can be used as part of inclusive minutes packages, such as those in mobile phone contracts, and incorporated in 'friends and family' type discounts.

People can also call 03000 111 222 when they need to speak to their local Safer Community Team or to seek advice on any police matter.

Superintendent Bob Smart, head of the Force Communications Centre, said the move is part of the drive to continually improve the service provided to the public.

He said: "We have worked very hard over the last few years to improve our call handling procedures and the introduction of a single non-emergency number in 2006 was a significant step towards that.

"However, we are continually trying to improve our service and respond to the needs of our customers. The new number will not only be easier for people to remember, but it can also cost less for them to contact the police for assistance, wherever they are calling from.

[…]


Official press release from Northamptonshire Police:

http://www.northants.police.uk/default.aspx?id=1252
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Reply #216 - May 9th, 2009 at 6:39am
 
http://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/npa/files/meetings/55/H%20-%20%20Capital%20...

Nottinghamshire Police Authority

JOINT REPORT OF THE CHIEF CONSTABLE AND THE TREASURER

CAPITAL STRATEGY, ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN AND PRUDENTIAL

Meeting                  Police Authority

On                        25 February 2009

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Single Non Emergency Number (SNEN). Originally planned for the launch of the two control rooms in 2001 but delayed first by the defunct 101 initiative and then by the issues with the 0845 service, this will now be launched with an 0300 number. This will cost £25k to implement and then £25k a year to support.

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http://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/uploads/library/418/PolicingPlan2009.pdf

Nottinghamshire Police Authority and Nottinghamshire Police
POLICING PLAN 2009-12
07/04/2009

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Single Non-Emergency Number

The Force will be launching a single non-emergency 0300 number in the autumn to replace the 12 numbers that are currently in use. The public has been canvassed for its opinion. Having a single memorable number will make the Force more accessible to residents.

Adopting the single number will help to reduce the confusion currently caused by having 12 numbers to dial, which can lead to misuse of 999.

In line with Ofcom recommendations the cost of dialling this single number will be equal to all customers irrespective of their locality within the county or nationally. Callers can also nominate the number in their ‘call packages’ so that they do not get charged for the call at all.
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Reply #217 - May 9th, 2009 at 4:39pm
 
Dave wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 6:39am:
Callers can also nominate the number in their ‘call packages’ so that they do not get charged for the call at all.

They're still confused though aren't they?  What's that all about?
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After years of ignoring govt. guidelines & RIPPING OFF Council Tax payers using 0845 numbers, Essex County Council changed to 0345 numbers on 2 November 2015
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Reply #218 - May 9th, 2009 at 5:26pm
 
Heinz wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 4:39pm:
Dave wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 6:39am:
Callers can also nominate the number in their ‘call packages’ so that they do not get charged for the call at all.

They're still confused though aren't they?  What's that all about?

I guess that they are thinking that calls to 03 numbers can be inclusive. It's important to note that Nottinghamshire Police do not use a 0845 number, so they are moving to the single non-emergency number setup having operated a number of geographical numbers.
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Reply #219 - May 11th, 2009 at 12:10pm
 
http://www.moray.gov.uk/downloads/file58976.pdf

Strathisla Community Council
Minutes of Meeting of Wednesday, 4th February, 2009

[…]

Telephone Costs: Ian Ross raised the cost of phoning the police 0845 number. The inconsistency of costs was also discussed ranging from free BT calls , local call rate of 0845 numbers and mobile costs. The Chair is to ask at the forthcoming JCC Meeting if there is further clarification on standardised tariffs.


http://www.yourmoray.org.uk/Area%20Forums/MorayForumMinutes/Minute180308.pdf

THE MORAY FORUM
Meeting on Wednesday 18 March 2008 at 7.00pm
Committee Room , Council HQ

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Grampian Police Board

Barry Taylor raised an issue arising from the recent meeting of the Grampian Police Board. He advised that Councillor Douglas Ross had highlighted various concerns about the use of the 0845 number by the call centre at Bucksburn. Councillor Ross felt that these concerns were not being properly answered and sought to probe further, at which point he was threatened with being removed from the meeting.

The Forum agreed this was a serious matter, particularly in relation to the views of Area Forums being taken on board by Community Planning partners. After further discussion it was agreed that contact should be made with the Police Board to determine their understanding of the issue. The Chair agreed to write to the Board, once he had received details from the Buckie Area Forum. It was felt that opportunity should be taken in the letter to emphasise again concerns regarding the 0845 number.

ACTION: The Chair to write to Grampian Police Board


http://www.moray.gov.uk/downloads/file59337.pdf

Strathisla Community Council
Minutes of Meeting of Wednesday, 4th March, 2009

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Police 0845 and 0870 Numbers
Sgt Black had forwarded information on costs as discussed at the previous meeting. Calls can be free with BT depending on Calling Plan. Costs to 0845 numbers are .02p per minute daytime and .05p at all other times from BT Network, other networks may vary. 0844 numbers are .01 per minute rising to .05p with same costs at all times. The matter has also been raised at Joint Community Council Meetings.
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Reply #220 - May 11th, 2009 at 12:55pm
 
Dave wrote on May 11th, 2009 at 12:10pm:
Costs to 0845 numbers are .02p per minute daytime and .05p at all other times from BT Network, other networks may vary. 0844 numbers are .01 per minute rising to .05p with same costs at all times.


Seems Sgt Black doesn't understand how to annotate call costs correctly. That annotation indicates that they are 0.02p a minute (etc etc), which is blatently wrong.
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Reply #221 - May 11th, 2009 at 1:08pm
 
jgxenite wrote on May 11th, 2009 at 12:55pm:
Dave wrote on May 11th, 2009 at 12:10pm:
Costs to 0845 numbers are .02p per minute daytime and .05p at all other times from BT Network, other networks may vary. 0844 numbers are .01 per minute rising to .05p with same costs at all times.


Seems Sgt Black doesn't understand how to annotate call costs correctly. That annotation indicates that they are 0.02p a minute (etc etc), which is blatently wrong.

I think this could be an error by the person who transcribed the minutes.
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Hmm, true. Either way, someone didn't proof read them  Roll Eyes
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Reply #223 - May 14th, 2009 at 1:30pm
 
http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/2009_01_29.pdf

STRATEGY GROUP
Notes of the Meeting held on 29th January 2009, HQ Conference Hall

145 – 08/09 Non-Emergency Contact Number

This paper provides CCMT with the current position regarding the single nonemergency number (0845) and outlines options for the future replacement of the number.

TVP moved to the 0845 number in January 2006. At this time, all calls to 0845 were guaranteed at no more than the equivalent local or national rate to a geographic number. TVP has never derived profit from our 0845 number.

Use of a single, non-emergency number enables functionality that is not feasible through use of a geographic number.

Public perception of 0845/0870 numbers is not particularly positive and there is a degree of ‘brand tainting’ attached to their use. TVP may suffer from this. Complaints/communications about 0845 are low, with only seven recorded in the course of this financial year to date.

The external telecoms market has changed considerably since 2006. This has complicated the telecoms context considerably, in particular with the introduction of charging bundles which often provide free evening and weekend calls. 0845 numbers are not usually included in such bundles, although BT have very recently included them in their bundles.

It is not as straightforward as all calls to 0845 numbers being more expensive. At certain times of the day they are cheaper than geographic calls.

The 101 pilot initially lost impetus when Government withdrew funding. However, the pilot Forces now appear to be refocusing on 101 as their option of choice for contact to the police. All calls are charged at 10p per call, regardless of length. Calls from public payphones are free. 101 is a very simple and memorable number.

Work is under way under the SE Regional Collaboration Programme to ascertain the feasibility of all SE forces using the same non-emergency number. This work will consider the 101 option.

An initial set up fee of £50,000 is required for 101, but there appears to be no subsequent annual or per call charges thereafter.

Ofcom have developed the ‘03’ series specifically for contact with public sector bodies. These are regulated by Ofcom, ensure that all calls are no more expensive than the equivalent geographic call and providers are required to include 03 numbers in their evening & weekend bundles. TVPs equivalent 03 number has been reserved.

Charges to TVP are substantially higher for 0345 than for our 0845 number.

Four options were presented for consideration;
  • Retain the existing 0845 number
  • Await the outcome of regional collaborative research
  • Unilaterally (from the region) implement 101
  • Move to our reserved 0345 number

Having looked at all of the options TVP would prefer to transfer to the 101 number but its development is still in the early stages and it is not clear how long it will take so in the meantime will keep the 0845 8505 505 non emergency number.

It was agreed:
1. That TVP would not be looking to change to an 0345 non-emergency number in the short to medium term.

2. To look to develop the use of 101 as the non-emergency number for eventual adoption

Action: 1-2. ACC O [Head of CRED]
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Reply #224 - May 30th, 2009 at 10:52pm
 
Source: Diana Johnson MP
Parliamentary Report, Autumn 2008

http://dianajohnson.co.uk/images/uploads/165543/0942f75d-f335-6bc4-15ed-090870a2...

Cheaper calls to the Police

Over the past year, I have been discussing with Humberside Police the idea of changing their non-emergency number from the current 0845 code to the cheaper local 0345 rate. In February I was pleased to hear from the Chief Constable that Humberside Police were in negotiations to acquire an 0345 number. I hope that there will be further good news on this soon.
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