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Reply #60 - Dec 11th, 2007 at 5:05pm
 
I wrote today to ACPOS in reply to their letter of 30 November. Thanks for all the positive contributions to this thread.

Thanks for the very detailed reply dated 30 November.

I note your organisation's preference for the '101' system and your statement that the 10p charge for this or charges for '0845' have not deterred callers.

I beg to differ on the question of costs. Please see:
Worcester News 10 December - 'It costs too much to call the police'
Peterborough Evening Telegraph 12 November - ' Police consider changing 0845 number'
both of which indicate the public is not as sanguine as you may believe.

It would seem therefore that the public's attitude to the costs of '101' should not be taken for granted. Perhaps they assume that is free of charge like 999/112? Now that Westminster has withdrawn support for 101 it is a moot point. http://snen.homeoffice.gov.uk/

Therefore, the only viable option seems be a national 03 number which features all the call routing advantages of 101, would be easily understood and with minor cost implications for the public when they are at their most vulnerable



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Reply #61 - Dec 28th, 2007 at 8:04pm
 
Source: Bromsgrove Advertiser

http://www.bromsgroveadvertiser.co.uk/news/banewsroundup/display.var.1930075.0.t...

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The number’s up for police
By Pat Smith

A BROMSGROVE councillor is gathering support to urge West Mercia police to drop what he calls "unethical" telephone call charges.

District councillor Sean Shannon (Labour-Charford) said that the present use of 0845 numbers can cost mobile users up to 40p a minute.

"Some people have spent up to £12 reporting a crime. The 03 numbers charge 12p a minute for mobile users - a considerable saving."
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Cllr Shannon added: "Those reporting crime should not be the ones to pay and charging 40p a minute penalises the good citizen and does not encourage people to report crimes. The unethical practice of making money out of those reporting crime should come to an abrupt end."

On January 16 the Labour group will be calling on Bromsgrove District Council to support a campaign to persuade the West Mercia Police Authority to remove 0845 numbers and have them replaced with 03 numbers.

A police spokesman said that officers were currently looking at introducing a new non-emergency telephone number, which would cost the same as making a local call from a landline or mobile phone.


"West Mercia Constabulary's non-emergency telephone number was introduced ten years ago. The cost of calling this number from a landline is around three pence a minute. However, charges from mobile phones do vary depending on the service provider, which unfortunately we cannot influence," said the spokesman She added that the decision to centralise the handling of all emergency and non-emergency calls was taken in 2001 following an extensive review into the way the force handles calls from the public.

All call centre operators are linked to a computerised mapping facility and caller line identification to enable them to pinpoint the location of calls and to respond to an emergency more rapidly. People wishing to contact their local policing officers can do so by emailing them or by calling a local telephone number and leaving a message. The contact details of all the local policing teams are available on the local policing section of the force website at www.westmercia.police.uk

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Reply #62 - Jan 1st, 2008 at 6:42am
 
I am not a techy person but I do understand a little about how some numbers operate, I believe that all 08 & 03 numbers sit on an STD 01 or 02 number, so why can't West Mercia Police and indeed other organizations that use 03 or 08 numbers also publish the alternative STD number, this would assist the mobile users as many have 01&02 numbers within inclusive minutes.

Many callers would still use the 08 numbers because as we are aware when using the STD numbers sometimes a caller has to Queue for some time.


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Reply #63 - Jan 1st, 2008 at 12:08pm
 
bazzerfewi wrote on Jan 1st, 2008 at 6:42am:
I am not a techy person but I do understand a little about how some numbers operate, I believe that all 08 & 03 numbers sit on an STD 01 or 02 number, so why can't West Mercia Police and indeed other organizations that use 03 or 08 numbers also publish the alternative STD number, this would assist the mobile users as many have 01&02 numbers within inclusive minutes.

Many callers would still use the 08 numbers because as we are aware when using the STD numbers sometimes a caller has to Queue for some time.



The reason they should move to 03 is that they too will be included in the inclusive minutes at standard rates. Being non-geo numbers they can also be switched around to maximise call centre efficiency
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Reply #64 - Jan 3rd, 2008 at 4:30pm
 
Source: Bromsgrove Standard

http://80.194.82.59//obsstandard/2008/week%201/bromsgrove/bstb025c040108v1-web.p...

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Labour calls for drop in cost of police calls
Ruth Davies
03 January 2008

BROMSGROVE’S Labour Group is calling on the district council to support its campaign for the police to replace its 0845 non-emergency telephone number with a cheaper 03 option.

Coun Sean Shannon will propose the motion at the next full council meeting on Wednesday, January 16 in a bid to gain the district council’s support, which would increase the pressure on West Mercia Police Authority to axe the number.

The move follows Sidemoor and Charford Partners and Communities Together (PACT) meetings, where residents complained that the cost of a call from non-contract mobile phones was too expensive.

Following research into the matter, Coun Shannon claims the rise in the current charge to 0845 numbers of 40 to 50pence per minute from a non-contract mobile phone would be reduced to around ten pence per minute and that people who could not otherwise be able to afford to report crime in their community would then be encouraged to do so.

Coun Shannon said: “I see this as a justified complaint, as poorer people are being excluded from using the call centre because of higher costs - we are also considering taking the issue to the county council.

“The campaign will put pressure on the police, who initially dismissed it, and this could become a national issue as 03 numbers are now available.”

A West Mercia Police spokesperson confirmed that the non-emergency number was adopted ten years ago and that the cost of calling from a BT landline was around three pence per minute, although mobile phone charges varied according to the operator.

“We are currently looking at introducing a new non-emergency telephone number which will cost the same as making a local call from a landline or a mobile phone.

“West Mercia Police is committed to delivering a high-quality service to all those living and working in Worcestershire and believes that the centralising of the call handling has improved the service the public receives from the first moment they conact the police," the spokesperson added.

To find out more about local policing, visit the link at: www.westmercia.police.uk.

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~ Edited by Dave: Link updated. Articles for this newspaper are archived in PDFs.
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Reply #65 - Jan 29th, 2008 at 12:36pm
 
Source: Worcester News
Published: Tuesday 29 January 2008

http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/wnnewslatest/display.var.1999900.0.police_co...

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Police consider changing 08 number
By Alicia Kelly

MORE than one million phone calls are received by West Mercia Constabulary every year with phone companies appearing to pocket the majority of the cash generated from them.

Your Worcester News requested information about the 08 number be released under the Freedom of Information Act after councillors said crimes were going unreported because the force's non-emergency 0845 number was too expensive.

The figures reveal from April 2007 to date, the force made £4,491.45 from 653,336 calls, while in 06/07 it made £6,684.76 from 1,129,402 calls.

In 05/06 it made £5,814.79 from 1,134,446 calls.

The force spends the money on an emergency text messaging service for people who are partially or profoundly deaf or who have speech impairments.

A force spokeswoman said: "The cost of calling this number from a BT landline is around 3p a minute.

"However, charges from mobile phones do vary depending on the service provider, which unfortunately we cannot influence or change."

She said the force was considering introducing a new number which would charge users at local call rates whether they call from a landline or a mobile phone. If the force does introduce such a number - known as 03 - it will not receive any revenue from calls.

The decision to centralise the handling of all emergency and non-emergency calls was taken in 2001 to ensure the force made best use of call-handling technology and that all call-handling staff were trained to meet the needs of callers.

Callers of the 08 number reach call management centres at Hindlip, near Worcester, or Bridgnorth in Shropshire, while incidents can also be reported in person at a police station or by calling a local number and leaving a message.

However, Councillor Nigel Knowles, who raised the issue, said he was still opposed to centralised numbers.

He said: "If you've got a group of youths outside your house in Kidderminster you don't really want to be put through to Redditch via Hindlip.

"What you want to be able to do is to speak to your local beat officers and the police on the ground.

"I don't think it's as efficient as it should be if you had local numbers."

A spokeswoman for telecoms regulator Ofcom said Government guidelines say public sector bodies should not use 08 numbers without offering an alternative.

She said the new 03 numbers were ideal for police because all callers pay the same amount and the numbers can be included in mobile phone call packages, while 08 numbers generally are not.

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Reply #66 - Jan 29th, 2008 at 1:16pm
 
Dave wrote on Jan 29th, 2008 at 12:36pm:
"..A spokeswoman for telecoms regulator Ofcom said Government guidelines say public sector bodies should not use 08 numbers without offering an alternative.

She said the new 03 numbers were ideal for police because all callers pay the same amount and the numbers can be included in mobile phone call packages, while 08 numbers generally are not..."


Interesting - first time I've heard Ofcom sort of endorse 03. Does this mean that all telecom providers can now handle 03 calls? Or do we need to write to Ofcom and ask them to confirm?
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Reply #67 - Jan 29th, 2008 at 1:29pm
 
farci wrote on Jan 29th, 2008 at 1:16pm:
Interesting - first time I've heard Ofcom sort of endorse 03. Does this mean that all telecom providers can now handle 03 calls? Or do we need to write to Ofcom and ask them to confirm?

I believe most providers do allow calls to 03 numbers. Only BT must allow calls to all numbers and all Ofcom can do is create the rules. Ofcom has previously advised that public bodies shouldn't use 084/087 numbers without an alternative (although I can't remember where that has been said).
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Reply #68 - Jan 31st, 2008 at 5:02pm
 
Source: Evening Telegraph & Post

http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/output/2008/01/31/story10875987t0.shtm

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31 January 2008
April launch for new police number

Emergency calls to police control room staff in Tayside have included requests for a plumber and for details of the local pizza delivery shop’s opening hours (writes Steven Bell).

In one recent case, revealed for the first time today, a driver made a 999 call because high winds were making it difficult to get out of the car.

The incidents were disclosed as Tayside Police announced plans to launch a single number with an 0845 prefix for all non-emergency calls which will go live in April.

While that will not replace 999 for incidents which require immediate assistance — and officers accept there will still be abuses of the system — it’s hoped more people will be encouraged to remember the appropriate number.

Superintendent Kenny Sinclair said today, “Tayside Police receive around 30,000 non-emergency calls per month.

“It is important the force is accessible for all of these callers. It is very often their first contact with the police.

“One of the reasons for moving to a single non-emergency number is that the force currently has 16 separate numbers, and we want to rationalise that to make it easier for people to phone in.

“It’s also an opportunity to reinforce a very important message, which is that if there is any danger or risk to life, or a crime is in progress, dial 999, and for everything else use the new number when it comes out.”

Chief Inspector Sandra Richards, head of the control room, said, “Those 30,000 non-emergency calls involve a wide range of things, and we want to try to prioritise those.

“We still get a lot of calls looking for lost and found property, seeking legal advice or things like lighting defects, which are not police business.

“We are trying to filter callers to the right people, while prioritising the calls from people who are actually looking for police assistance.

“There is a problem with people knowing when to use 999. They say they dialled 999 because it’s the first number that came into their head. We’re hoping that with the publicity we have for the new non-emergency number, this will help.”

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In Scotland there is a centralised approach by the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland (ACPOS) whereby a sequence of 0845 numbers have been set aside for each force. As well as Tayside, Lothian & Borders have plans to switch to 0845 this year.
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Reply #69 - Feb 1st, 2008 at 3:24pm
 
Source: BBC News

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/7222042.stm

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Last Updated: Friday, 1 February 2008, 14:18 GMT

New line for non-emergency calls

Tayside Police are aiming to cut the amount of minor or needless calls coming through on 999 by introducing a single non-emergency number.

The new 0845 number, to be introduced in April, will replace 16 separate non-emergency ones currently in use.

Police have received 999 calls recently asking when the pizza delivery shop shuts and from someone having trouble opening their car door in the wind.

It is also hoped the new system will provide a better service for callers.

Supt Kenny Sinclair said: "Tayside Police receives in the region of 30,000 non-emergency calls per month, which is averaging about 1,000 calls every day.

"It's important to us that the force is accessible to all these callers because it's very often their first time phoning the police."

Ch Insp Sandra Richards added: "Those 30,000 non-emergency calls that we get cover a wide range of things, and we try to prioritise the calls where people are actually asking for police assistance because a crime's been committed, or something serious is happening.

"People who phone the police, particularly if they're looking for police assistance, even in non-emergency matters, often find it difficult and distressing and they need to be addressed accurately and quickly."

Ms Richards added that people often phoned 999 because it was the first number that entered their head when thinking about the police.

However, she also blamed the rise in mobile phones and the fact 999 is a number which can be called for free if you do not have credit.

The new number will begin with 0845 and when people call they will be asked to choose from a menu of services.

Supt Sinclair said: "If you phone it [999] casually in inappropriate circumstances, you could potentially be affecting a life elsewhere, where somebody does need to get through in an emergency and can't get through."

In a genuine emergency people should continue to call 999.

Tayside Police have said that this could be the first step towards a single new non-emergency number being introduced across Scotland.

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Reply #70 - Feb 1st, 2008 at 3:31pm
 
Dave wrote on Feb 1st, 2008 at 3:24pm:
However, she also blamed the rise in mobile phones and the fact 999 is a number which can be called for free if you do not have credit.


Funny how it doesn't point out that 0845 numbers are NOT free from a mobile, and in fact cost an extortionate amount to call from a mobile phone. Does she really think that people are going to call an overly priced 0845 number when 999 is free?
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However, she also blamed the rise in mobile phones and the fact 999 is a number which can be called for free if you do not have credit.

This statement goes to prove that they are actively going out to deter people from calling.
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Reply #72 - Feb 1st, 2008 at 3:49pm
 
Yes, and promote them calling a number that is over and above the cost of a normal number (that they are switching from, and are free on many mobile contracts). Not that I've ever had need to call the Police, but I know which I'd prefer to ring... the free one!

It also clearly shows the incompetence of Ofcom in not persuading the Police force to get an 03 number - as such numbers were surely introduced for this purpose?! (amongst other things obviously!)
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Reply #73 - Feb 1st, 2008 at 4:46pm
 
Source: Surrey Advertiser
Published: 1 February 2008

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2021235_police_may_drop_0845_phone_number

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Police may drop 0845 phone number

Surrey Police could scrap its 0845 contact centre number for non-emergencies in favour of a cheaper alternative.

The force is considering a number of options to replace the prefix, which is now more expensive than all local and most long-distance national calls.

Surrey residents have been dialling 0845 125 2222 since 2003, when many public sector organisations switched to centralised call centres.

At that time the numbers were charged at the local rate, but while the cost of national calls has fallen in recent years charges for 0845 calls have stayed the same.

The cost of calling the code from a BT landline is about 3p a minute.

Most mobile phone networks do not include calls to 0845 in their all-inclusive packages and customers can pay up to 40p a minute.

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The possibility of Surrey Police changing its number was laid out in a letter seen by the Surrey Advertiser, which was sent by the force to campaigner Dave Lindsay.

He has written to every police force in England, Wales and Scotland, warning that the cost of dialling the 0845 prefix could put people off calling the police.

Mr Lindsay said 27 out of 44 forces were still using the code.

Now he is calling for the introduction of a local 01483 number to dial the Surrey Police contact centre, which is based at Mount Browne headquarters in Guildford.

In the letter sent to Mr Lindsay, contact centre operations manager Stuart Lowe said it was one of a number of options being considered in an attempt to lower the cost of calling the police.

'Very positive'

But Mr Lowe said migrating to the geographic number would involve a re-arrangement of the way calls were routed, and would have cost implications which would not attract any government funding.

The force is also looking at changing the number to a new 0345 code, which would cost no more than a normal UK call.

Mr Lowe said in his letter: "it is critical that any change is part of a well thought-out process that does not leave the people of Surrey confused or ignorant of any new number we  procure."

He added that Surrey Police did not raise any revenue from the use of the 0845 prefix, and that the force had no control over what mobile operators charged to call the contact centre.

Mr Lindsay said: “I thought the response from Surrey was very positive. It’s good that they are looking at what alternatives there might be.

“Changing these contact telephone numbers is not an easy step, but if that’s what is needed then that’s what we have to do.”

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Reply #74 - Feb 1st, 2008 at 7:46pm
 
Dave wrote on Feb 1st, 2008 at 4:46pm:
Police may drop 0845 phone number

I would keep away from Surrey for a while Dave ... and check the back light on your bicycle as well.

Next time a journalist wants to put your name in the paper, insist that they quote you saying that you support the Police pay claim.  Grin
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