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derrick Supreme Member Offline Posts: 1,124	0700 4 247 247 (National Call Rate) Nov 17^th, 2007 at 12:12pm Since when have 070 numbers been "national call rate"? 247electrical Is there any point complaining to Phonepayplus as it is on a website?
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Reply #1 - Nov 17^th, 2007 at 12:50pm

derrick wrote on Nov 17^th, 2007 at 12:12pm:

Since when have 070 numbers been "national call rate"? 247electrical

07004 numbers are "National NTS" on the BT Price List which is what 0870 numbers are (so the same rates apply to both). So that's where the (dubious) "national rate" comes from.

derrick wrote on Nov 17^th, 2007 at 12:12pm:

Is there any point complaining to Phonepayplus as it is on a website?

No. Although trading standards (Consumer Direct) might do something but it might take 6 or 12 months.

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derrick Supreme Member Offline Posts: 1,124	Re: 0700 4 247 247 (National Call Rate) Reply #2 - Nov 17^th, 2007 at 2:14pm Dave wrote on Nov 17^th, 2007 at 12:50pm: 07004 numbers are "National NTS" . . . I thought 070 numbers where personal numbers? charged at up to £1.50 per minute, and that Ofcom had barred revenue sharing on them!
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Dave Global Moderator Offline Posts: 9,902 Yorkshire Gender:	Re: 0700 4 247 247 (National Call Rate) Reply #3 - Nov 17^th, 2007 at 2:16pm They are charged at up to 50 pence per minute from a BT landline. AFAIK, the cheapest are charged inline with that of 0870 numbers.
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Reply #4 - Nov 17^th, 2007 at 4:41pm

0700 4 247 247 is, indeed, charged at the same as 0870 calls are (at the moment) but, because that is less than 20p/minute, it is exempt from the newly-introduced requirement to have a pre-call charge announcement for 070 numbers.

Personally, I think they're daft to use such a number because, thanks to PatientLine, many people simply avoid dialling them because they're now wise to the fact that some 070 numbers are very expensive to call.

EDIT 22:22 17-11-07

Para 1 above amended to placate derrick.

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After years of ignoring govt. guidelines & RIPPING OFF Council Tax payers using 0845 numbers, Essex County Council changed to 0345 numbers on 2 November 2015

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Reply #5 - Nov 17^th, 2007 at 6:02pm

Heinz wrote on Nov 17^th, 2007 at 4:41pm:

0700 4 247 247 is, indeed, charged at National Rate and, because it is less than 20p/minute, it is exempt from the newly-introduced requirement to have a pre-call charge announcement.

Here we go again, Heinz you are well aware that the term "national rate" is not a valid description, and is indeed misleading, especially as the cost is more than an 01/02 number, "national rate" is not to be used as defined by Ofcom,ASA,COI, Trading Standards.

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alanh57 Newbie Offline Posts: 5	Re: 0700 4 247 247 (National Call Rate) Reply #6 - Nov 18^th, 2007 at 2:21pm another right con, most callers will think this is a mobile phone number, as mobile's start 07xxx.
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Tanllan Supreme Member Offline Posts: 797 Gender:	Re: 0700 4 247 247 (National Call Rate) Reply #7 - Nov 18^th, 2007 at 3:42pm The 070 range was originally part of Oftel's "Find-me-anywhere" range, on the mobile side of things, which included 076 for paging.
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Heinz Supreme Member Offline Posts: 1,362 Essex	Re: 0700 4 247 247 (National Call Rate) Reply #8 - Nov 18^th, 2007 at 4:11pm Allegedly, Ofcom's plan is to move them all to the 06 number range. http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/numberingreview/statement/summary/ Don't hold your breath though ...............
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Tanllan Supreme Member Offline Posts: 797 Gender:	Re: 0700 4 247 247 (National Call Rate) Reply #9 - Nov 18^th, 2007 at 9:01pm 06? What a waste of numbering resources.
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jgxenite Supreme Member Offline Help us to help you - read the instructions!! Posts: 1,454 Gender:	Re: 0700 4 247 247 (National Call Rate) Reply #10 - Nov 19^th, 2007 at 1:09am Well, unless Ofcom decides to completely stop 070 numbers (bah! Like that is gunna happen!), at least it will be better if they are in a separate range that people can be warned never to use! Being in 070 just confuses people who aren't in the know... (I keep seeing 070 numbers being marketed as mobile numbers)
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andy9 Supreme Member Offline Posts: 505	Re: 0700 4 247 247 (National Call Rate) Reply #11 - Nov 21^st, 2007 at 10:51am Other 070 numbers are about 17p peak 10p off-peak from BT landlines, not a lot dissimilar to tariffs to some mobiles. But others may be 40 or 50p Whilst it's true that the tariffs can't be sized up from a quick glance at the prefix, they don't seem to be £1.50 a minute either
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Reply #12 - Nov 21^st, 2007 at 6:52pm

andy9 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2007 at 10:51am:

Other 070 numbers are about 17p peak 10p off-peak from BT landlines, not a lot dissimilar to tariffs to some mobiles. But others may be 40 or 50p

It's not just the cost but also the fact that because they look similar to mobile numbers and are even marketed as such in some cases it's entirely reasonable for consumers to think they are included in their mobile allowance and I'd hate to know the cost of calling a personal number from a mobile (assuming a network tells you the cost).

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Reply #13 - Nov 22^nd, 2007 at 1:27am

bbb_uk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2007 at 6:52pm:

It's not just the cost but also the fact that because they look similar to mobile numbers and are even marketed as such in some cases it's entirely reasonable for consumers to think they are included in their mobile allowance and I'd hate to know the cost of calling a personal number from a mobile (assuming a network tells you the cost).

I don't think they are marketed as mobile numbers though - the only place I've seen this claim is in a know-it-all VoIP internet blog from Singapore or somewhere like

The two most common uses seem to be temporary contact numbers for newspaper classified ads, where the tariff is mentioned, and Nigerian conmen spammers and who believes a word they say.

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Heinz Supreme Member Offline Posts: 1,362 Essex	Re: 0700 4 247 247 (National Call Rate) Reply #14 - Nov 22^nd, 2007 at 3:13pm andy9 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2007 at 1:27am: The two most common uses seem to be temporary contact numbers for newspaper classified ads, where the tariff is mentioned, and Nigerian conmen spammers and who believes a word they say. And the one-ring CLI dumpers on my cellphone (trying to get me to call back).
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