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Reply #15 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 12:17pm
 
So I did a little research (I work overnight, it's actually 5am in California) and found that her Halls of Residence are in fact connected to the University system. In other words, she has a 5 digit extension and can call anywhere on campus, or any other 5 digit extension within that network free of charge. The lady at Woodland Court wasn't sure who the service provider was, she alluded to me having to call BT for that information.

As far as the THUS Plc information, how should I use that to experiment with geographical numbers?
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Reply #16 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 12:24pm
 
Well, that's good to know. Well, the Thus thing just tells us that the company Thus provides that 0870 number, and that within the Bristol area code (0117), Thus has one range - 0117 337 xxxx (where xxxx is technically any number between 0000 and 9999).

The next thing to try is to find out what extension she has (51234 for example) then drop the first digit (1234) and try that appending to the end of the Thus code (so 0117 337 1234 for example). Record whether the number rings, and if it rings, whether the person that answers is in that halls or not, and also perhaps what their extension is if they are.

Let us know how you get on with that, and we can investigate further if needs be.
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Reply #17 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 4:37pm
 
So I found out her 5 digit extension, which was 36***. I tried using the last 4 digits with the aforementioned telephone number. It rang twice and then went to an automated message, saying "Lines are temporarily busy, please try again later. O106". Then it repeated the same message about 4 times and disconnected. No dice. Where do we go from here? Is there any significance to the "O106"? That's letter 'O', one, zero, six.
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Reply #18 - Sep 30th, 2008 at 10:04am
 
Also, I found out that Bristol Uni uses a service called Uni-Tel, which is their alternative to FreeWire. Apparently a little bit cheaper. My sister told me the Internet she has in her halls drops in and out though, so that's bad news! Any thoughts on where to proceed with the geographical number idea?
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Reply #19 - Sep 30th, 2008 at 10:10am
 
adamgoffin wrote on Sep 30th, 2008 at 10:04am:
Also, I found out that Bristol Uni uses a service called Uni-Tel, which is their alternative to FreeWire. Apparently a little bit cheaper. My sister told me the Internet she has in her halls drops in and out though, so that's bad news! Any thoughts on where to proceed with the geographical number idea?

Read the FOI response here.
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Reply #20 - Sep 30th, 2008 at 11:22am
 
Ok, so I have read the full FOI response. Does that mean that I am chasing a lost cause then? One thing I noticed is that in the FOI response an 0870814**** number translates to 0117307****. This number is different to the 0117337**** number that apparently corresponds to Thus PLC?
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Reply #21 - Sep 30th, 2008 at 11:36am
 
adamgoffin wrote on Sep 30th, 2008 at 11:22am:
Ok, so I have read the full FOI response. Does that mean that I am chasing a lost cause then? One thing I noticed is that in the FOI response an 0870814**** number translates to 0117307****.

In which case, I suggest you try 0117 307, but it does say that it is "shuffled", so it may not be 0117 307 + last four digits of ext no. If you get through to one which answers, then it would be useful if you can ascertain whether it's someone in the university accommodation. It's likely that the same telephone system is used (hence the same block of numbers) across different accommodation sites, so it's not forced to be where your sister is.

adamgoffin wrote on Sep 30th, 2008 at 11:22am:
This number is different to the 0117337**** number that apparently corresponds to Thus PLC?

I suggested 0117 337 because it is a Thus prefix just like the 0870. It does not have to be the case that the underlying geo is the same provider as the non-geo number. In the light of the FOI response, I would go with what it says.
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Reply #22 - Sep 30th, 2008 at 11:43am
 
Interesting. I tried this 0117307 with the last four of her student extension and got through to a Solicitors in Bristol! I guess that means that 0000-9999 are not exclusively owned by the University then. I read somewhere on another site that if you work in a telephone exchange office (PBX) then you can call an 0870 number and it will give you the landline alternative. True or no?
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Reply #23 - Sep 30th, 2008 at 11:51am
 
adamgoffin wrote on Sep 30th, 2008 at 11:43am:
Interesting. I tried this 0117307 with the last four of her student extension and got through to a Solicitors in Bristol! I guess that means that 0000-9999 are not exclusively owned by the University then. I read somewhere on another site that if you work in a telephone exchange office (PBX) then you can call 0870 and it will give you the landline alternative. True or no?

In some cases I believe they may tell you the underlying number.

The number of numbers the university will have depends on how many rooms they have. Clearly it won't be anywhere near 10,000, hence the block of telephone numbers won't be 10,000 long. A guess would be a couple of thousand at the most.

I would try shifting by 1,000 and see what you get, ie, 0117 3070???, 0117 3071??? through to 0117 3079???

Make a note of what you've tried and what you've come across.
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Reply #24 - Sep 30th, 2008 at 12:20pm
 
Dave wrote on Sep 30th, 2008 at 11:51am:
I would try shifting by 1,000 and see what you get, ie, 0117 3070???, 0117 3071??? through to 0117 3079???

Going by the FOI response, I would start looking in the 0117 3071xxx area.
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Reply #25 - Sep 30th, 2008 at 3:19pm
 
Result! I'm getting closer! I got through to a girl at Woodland Court, my sister's Hall of Residence. I dialled 011730711** and she confirmed I was through to the right place. Her 5 digit extension was not related in any way to the landline number though. Now it's just a matter of testing numbers! Do you think all the Woodland Court numbers are likely to start with 01173071***, being that I had some joy with this particular number? The girl was happy to know her landline number too, she says it's going to save her parents a ton of money! Tongue
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Reply #26 - Sep 30th, 2008 at 3:53pm
 
That's great!

We don't know whether outside numbers map to extensions in sequential order or whether they are at random.

An example of each:

Sequential order would be where:
outside number ext no
1136 maps to 5393
1137 maps to 5394
1138 maps to 5395
1139 maps to 5396
1140 maps to 5397
1141 maps to 5398

or where the two relate entirely at random so to make it nigh-on impossible to find the right number, eg:
outside number ext no
1136 maps to 5236
1137 maps to 5591
1138 maps to 5334
1139 maps to 5203
1140 maps to 5520
1141 maps to 5276


If the former is correct and you have the girl's 0117 and extension number, then you can work out your sister's number. I would try that as the next step. If it works, then please let us know the mathematical relationship between the two.

The pair of 0117 and extension numbers - do any of the digits match, even the last one or two? Do you know what the 0870 number is which goes through to this room? That way you can compare the three numbers to see if there's any pattern.
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Reply #27 - Sep 30th, 2008 at 4:57pm
 
I got it! Cheesy Created a spreadsheet and spoke to about 60 different people at the Halls of Residence and finally I found someone in her flat. All the different flat numbers were grouped together, however not in numeric order. It looks like all the Woodland Court numbers go between 01173071000 and 01173071100, possibly going even higher than that, but I haven't experimented any further.

What I did find was that the last TWO digits of her 0870 number were identical to the last two digits of her landline equivalent. So for example, this being completely random: 087081487** is a Woodland Court number. The landline equivalent is 011730710** with the last two digits matching. The 5 digit internal extensions, as we thought, are completely randomized. The last digit is the same, but that's it.

I hope this information helps those who have family and loved ones at these Halls. Amazing detective work, thank you all so much for your help, especially Dave! Smiley
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Reply #28 - Sep 30th, 2008 at 5:18pm
 
adamgoffin wrote on Sep 30th, 2008 at 4:57pm:
What I did find was that the last TWO digits of her 0870 number were identical to the last two digits of her landline equivalent. So for example, this being completely random: 087081487** is a Woodland Court number. The landline equivalent is 011730710** with the last two digits matching. The 5 digit internal extensions, as we thought, are completely randomized. The last digit is the same, but that's it.

The numbers may be:

0870 81487** = 0117 30710**
0870 81488** = 0117 30711**
0870 81489** = 0117 30712**

etc
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