reply to dave and for everyone else's benefit.

we do not spam - i resent the suggestion that we use this forum to tout for business - we do not - and i will certainly not get involved in the domestic market at any time. - that is NOT why i spend my time on these posts.

we have never supplied paid for 08xx numbers to anyone; which is why my figures may not be accurate but are enough of an indication to get my points across.

because we have no interest in using any supplier that has a minimum call charge or set up charges.
because there are now very very few companies that we would consider as meeting our requirements and preserving our credibility and reputation.

we use ONLY those companies that have proved themselves to us over many years.

as a b2b telecom reseller we know who we would use and have no interest in the others. we have never made any direct reference to any non bt company and we certainly would not recommend bt - but it is up to people to choose for themselves.

I HAVE NO INTENTION WHATEVER OF NAMING NAMES.

we take the view that other suppliers do whatever they do commercially and i absolutely will not get into the business of trying to explain in detail why we choose not to use them as our supplier.

all i know is that it is and was the practice of some providers to charge a minimum call charge - i admit to not having kept up to date with the minutiae of  these companies because as i said we would not consider them as a possible supplier.

we know them by historic long term reputation and have no need or desire to use them.

in any event we no longer have any interest whatever in stand alone telecom supply.

telecoms will be charged very differently. business software tools, such as crm applications with business management tools and internet based ip telephone, are already and will continue to be incorporated into the fabric of more and more businesses and the stand alone per minute charge for businesses will eventually be consigned to history.

our clients are given best advice concerning the usage and benefits to them of leading edge integrated and converged telecom technology.

we do not persuade - we do not spam - we do not need to.

our interest is confined to the leading edge of ip telephony and web crm.

domestically a similar scenario will eventually apply. there are ip telephony suppliers for domestic use - unfortunately they still charge you per minute charge (called a break out charge) to call a non ip enabled phone number and the quality can be patchy.

this will change over time - ip for domestic use will replace current packages and call charges will disappear.

when i said use another supplier i did not mean me. we do not want domestic customers. perhaps i should have made that clear.

we leave domestic suppliers to their in store and door to door sales and their web presence.
try to get unbiased advice from them if you can.

if you do not want unbiased advice and suggestions from me without accusing me of spam - i no longer wish to assist in your campaign.

i do not understand your comment about the need of elderly people.

there is an abundance of wifi hotspots and library internet usage is free.

what age is elderly? some people might consider me to be elderly.

i am 66 and still have a number of active business interests.

i choose to remain active, "elderly or not"

i hate the sheep like apathy and indifference that seems to be a fixture in the culture of this country but as so often happens when we try to offer our experience and knowledge to help those who are not subscribers to this "culture" and want to be involved - we get the kind of offensive comments that you make.

i would have thought that people in the telecom business would be valuable to you - but your replies suggest you know all of the answers so i will not be contributing to the more polite members of this post.

why don't you accuse the 08xx supplier at the head of this post of spam or does direct advertising not count in your book?

you no longer have my cooperation and i will not waste any more of our time on this forum.

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