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Re: CAP/ASA Guidance on 0845/0870 pricing informat
Reply #15 - Dec 3rd, 2010 at 4:10pm
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Dec 3rd, 2010 at 3:09pm:
Yawn.

Whatever sham of proactivity Ofcom may try to create all of the scams will remain firmly in place as happened with 070 numbers despite earlier promises by Ofcom to take action.

Ofcom is certainly not being proactive. It is responding to strong representations and actions by BT, which resents being treated as holding SMP, when this is admitted not to be the case. Ofcom is also reacting to extensive public representations about the lack of transparency in pricing for calls to NGCS.

In a lightly regulated free market there will always be scams. Action by regulators may cause the nature of the scam to change, but the profit motive will always push against the edges of regulation. Because regulation imposes limitations on freedom of action, it has to be justified as being necessary, which means that it has to be reactive, rather than proactive. It is therefore at least one step behind what is actually happening.

In a liberal and regulation-averse environment, the powers of regulators are kept severely limited. When this is compounded by natural human incompetence and an industry-minded outlook, it is unsurprising that Ofcom and the other regulators appear ineffective. This makes our efforts in campaigning for what can only ever be modest changes difficult.

It is perfectly understandable that some become tired and despondent, focussing on past failures to suggest that our efforts are to no good purpose. I differ from that position in that if I ever felt that I had done all that I could, I would simply move on to deploy my energies elsewhere. When I judge that this point has arrived, that is what I will do. I have no interest in noble failure or pointless whingeing.
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Re: CAP/ASA Guidance on 0845/0870 pricing informat
Reply #16 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 11:18pm
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Dec 3rd, 2010 at 3:09pm:
Whatever sham of proactivity Ofcom may try to create all of the scams will remain firmly in place as happened with 070 numbers despite earlier promises by Ofcom to take action.

And the 06 range being reserved* supposedly for 070 migration.

* In 2005, IIRC.
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After years of ignoring govt. guidelines & RIPPING OFF Council Tax payers using 0845 numbers, Essex County Council changed to 0345 numbers on 2 November 2015
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Reply #17 - Apr 17th, 2011 at 12:03pm
 
Wth Ofcom's recent proposals to introduce clarity into the pricing of premium (084x, 0871, 0872, 0873 and 09) numbers, I think that ASA should be proactive and consider what the best practice should be for service providers.
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Reply #18 - Apr 17th, 2011 at 12:52pm
 
Dave wrote on Apr 17th, 2011 at 12:03pm:
Wth Ofcom's recent proposals to introduce clarity into the pricing of premium (084x, 0871, 0872, 0873 and 09) numbers, I think that ASA should be proactive and consider what the best practice should be for service providers.

Along with many other voluntary and statutory bodies involved in setting and enforcing standards, I see the CAP / ASA as key to the success of Ofcom's proposals.

The only way that Ofcom can regulate pricing by "Service Providers" is by classifying them as providers of "Premium Rate Services", so as to fall within the self-regulatory regime imposed by PhonePay Plus on members of the "pay by telephone" industry. Unless the practice of obtaining subsidy through relatively modest "Service Charges" is to be outlawed (i.e. no "Business Rate"), then PRS is the wrong mechanism to employ for effective regulation.

I have urged Ofcom to engage with all of the relevant bodies at the earliest possible stage. I see it as vital that Ofcom defines the basic standards to be applied by the various bodies on a common basis. I cannot see any point in urging the CAP to try to second guess what Ofcom may do, so it may not be appropriate for it to be "proactive". Regulators have to be very careful about stepping into territory occupied by others, so this does need to be properly co-ordinated.
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Reply #19 - Apr 17th, 2011 at 1:15pm
 
SilentCallsVictim wrote on Apr 17th, 2011 at 12:52pm:
I have urged Ofcom to engage with all of the relevant bodies at the earliest possible stage. I see it as vital that Ofcom defines the basic standards to be applied by the various bodies on a common basis. I cannot see any point in urging the CAP to try to second guess what Ofcom may do, so it may not be appropriate for it to be "proactive". Regulators have to be very careful about stepping into territory occupied by others, so this does need to be properly co-ordinated.

I'm not entirely sure that "proactive" is the right word to use with respect to this. As I understand it, CAP sets the Codes of Practice for which ASA enforces and rules against.

What I am getting at is the fact that it will be more desireable that CAP decides best practice for call pricing information sooner rather than later (this probably goes without saying!) and the reason is that the current "Other providers may vary" [from that of BT] line is the opposite of the truth.

It seems that ASA/CAP has a choice now:
  • it can continue to accept (and advocate the use of) "Other providers may vary", or;
  • CAP can draw up a new code which says how pricing information should be given, with the possibility that it might change again in the not too distant future.



Ofcom made the point in its consultation document that any pricing information would need to be understandable to consumers in general, else it is likely to cause further confusion (or perhaps just be a waste of time). I wonder if CAP could help in this respect.
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