I notice that a couple of posts that NGMsGhost posted yesterday has been taken down by the owners/moderators. This is a great shame as they (the posts) elequontly summed up what several of us have been banging on about for some time. I wonder why it was felt that NGMsGhost was not allowed to express his thoughts here. I think answers should be made here on this section and not in a private message, so that all those who were fortunate to have read his posts can understand why they were taken down.

I always have understood that this forum was to help folk to find alternative numbers to the expensive 08 numbers that are listed. I for my part have tried to help find these numbers and have had a great amount of satisfaction in helping others to achieve this.

I have also enjoyed the friendly banter that has existed and also for the constructive advice that has been given.

What I have objected to and indeed I withdrew from the site for a few weeks earlier in the year, is the nonsensical, patronising, humiliating and ridiculous statements that have been put out by a certain member who contradicts for the sake of contradicting. I  and others are not too sure what his causes are and one must wonder what his motives are for coming on to this site, when everybody here is opposed to the 08 rip offs and he seems to condone it in certain instances.

I have said before elsewhere, that we all owe Dave an huge debt of gratitude for all the work and advice he puts in to the site and especially for maintaining the database.

It would be a great shame if one individual was to jeopardise all that hard work that he has given over the years.

I hope NGMsGhost's posts are going to be restored, however I fear that will not happen and fully expect this post to be taken down as well.

Peter2010 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 11:36am:

Hello and welcome to SAYNOTO0870.COM.

Sorry for the problem you're experiencing with the contact page, I will make site admin aware of this issue.

In the mean time, can you drop me an e-mail to dave {at} saynoto0870.com with the number in question and I will remove it immediately. Thanks. 

Trenod wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 5:05pm:

I agree that the focus of the campaign has now moved away from 0870 numbers towards 0844 and 0845 numbers especially. Largely as a result of this campaign, the process that facilitated revenue sharing on 0870 numbers was removed last year, although sadly many call providers have failed to pass on the savings.

I suggest that the name of the campaign be broadened so as to encompass many other telecommunications unconsumer-friendly practices, and as such I registered "fairtelecoms" as my Twitter name.

I think 'Fair Telecoms' is even more misleading than 'Say No to 0870'. It doesn't mention the non-geographic number issue at all!

Peter2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2010 at 12:07am:


For what it is worth, I agree with that

Sometimes a name change can cause a lot of damage to the brand itself, even after a lot of advertising and promotional work is done on it's behalf

Everybody who is interested in the cause seems to know the name SAYNOTO0870.COM and I just wonder if a name change (even though the name might be out of date now) would be harmful to the site.

Having said all that, I could well be completely wrong and a name like Dave suggested may bring in more new members. A bit of a gamble in knowing what to do for the best.

Trenod wrote on Sep 24^th, 2010 at 4:51pm:

I do not believe that the site should be an 'anti-one-particular-provider'. "Unfair" practices frequently involve many providers, including whole minute billing and the replacement of sole minimum charges with call set-up fees (and whole minute billings) which have been introduced in order to quietly inflate call charges.

The proposed "Campaign for Fair Telecoms" (C4 FT ?) is a worthwhile and legitimate cause.

SayNoTo0870 is a website which offers alternative numbers for those who wish to avoid calling expensive numbers. It has an associated open bulletin board where related issues are discussed. It has no particular campaigning agenda, other than that which is implicit in the purpose of the database of alternatives and the name.

I believe that if an organised Campaign for Fair Telecoms were to be established it must firstly determine and declare a specific prioritised campaigning agenda and its position on specific relevant issues. It must then seek to promote its agenda, with the agreement of supporters and sponsors.

Such a campaign would also need to resolve its relationship with independent campaigners such as myself and commercial operations (e.g. websites supported by advertising) such as SayNoTo0870. Public recognition for a properly constituted formal campaigning organisation would demand either wide public membership, sponsorship from recognisable bodies, or both. A suitable means of covering expenses incurred would also need to be found. Sponsors and members may demand some role in determining policy. Those making donations would undoubtedly demand accountability.

Much could be achieved by bluff and deception. A small group, or a single individual, could easily use the name of an organisation without having any proper representative status. The propriety and sustainability of such an approach would have to be considered carefully.

I have long declared my recognition of the possible need for such a campaign group and my readiness to support those who wish to take on the task of establishing something of this sort.

SayNoTo0870.com is a privately owned website sustained by advertising, voluntary effort and donations from the owner. It offers the potential for many independent spin-off operations, such as the smartphone apps and other websites which use its data. There is no reason why it could not also spawn an independent campaign group, perhaps led by contributors to its discussion forum. All of these independent enterprises share the benefit of common public recognition. A "Campaign for Fair Telecoms" could seek to gain from that, or not, as it may choose.

For myself, I see no potential for such a campaign being able to buy-out SayNoTo0870.com, nor choosing to have a website that is financed by advertising, potentially (and most likely) by those whom it seeks to attack. A close relationship with SayNoTo0870.com, including a reciprocal cross promotion arrangement, is probably the most that could be expected.

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