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Reply #15 - Oct 14th, 2010 at 2:35pm
 
I had the same problem as I was not use to the 0208 0207 numbers, they now have a new number set to which is the 0203 numbers which is supposed where they are going forward.
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Reply #16 - Oct 14th, 2010 at 3:18pm
 
Welcome to the forum Smiley

I think you will find that London besides having the 0207 and 0208 numbers they have had the 0203 for sometime see here.....

http://0203number.com/

Used for businesses I believe
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Reply #17 - Oct 14th, 2010 at 7:37pm
 
jogreen68 wrote on Oct 14th, 2010 at 2:35pm:
I had the same problem as I was not use to the 0208 0207 numbers, they now have a new number set to which is the 0203 numbers which is supposed where they are going forward.

It is customary to refer to STD area codes one their own, and if this were the done, then it would be clear to see that this is merely allocation of new local London numbers.

The code for London is 020 !! 0207 and 0208 have never been STD codes for London.

A number which starts with the digits 0203 is therefore a 020 number, just as those that start 0207 and 0208. I omit the spaces here as that is the preferred format of some people.

The majority of Greater London's local numbers (those beginning 020) are eight digits, just as those for Portsmouth and Southampton (023), Coventry (024), Northern Ireland (028) and Cardiff (029).

When a new local number is encountered which starts with a new digit never before used by a subscriber (e.g. a new local number which starts 2 where no existing ones start 2), does it cause gross confusion? No.

Are people confused about mobile numbers beginning 075 simply because they are relatively new?


sherbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2010 at 3:18pm:
Used for businesses I believe

Residential premises tend only to have a single number (or multiple ones which aren't similar). Telephone companies (typically BT and Virgin Media, or cable) have blocks of numbers which they re-use.

The reason that the (020) 3 numbers are used by corporate organisations is because residential operators already have blocks of numbers from which they issue numbers individually. Corporate users frequently require hundreds or thousands of consecutive numbers and it stands to reason that these can only come from blocks of numbers that don't have the odd number given out to individual subscribers.
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Reply #18 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:23am
 
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Of course this was in fact down to Ofcom's equally useless parent, OFTEL, but you would think that they could have got it right the first time round by just going straight to eight figure London numbers and having left out all the nonsense with separate codes for inner and outer London.


They had to move London out of 01 in 1990, so that 01 was free to move every geographic code into in 1995. The move to 071/081 in 1990 doubled the capacity for London, right at the time it was really needed.

However, they shouldn't have moved London from 071/081 to 0171/0181 in 1995, they should have waited a few years and then gone straight to 020.

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Reply #19 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 3:35pm
 
catj wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:23am:
However, they shouldn't have moved London from 071/081 to 0171/0181 in 1995, they should have waited a few years and then gone straight to 020.

That would have lead to confusion that London's codes had changed from 071 and 081 to 0171 and 0181, respectively because the point of "PhONEday" (in 1995) was to insert a 1 after the national trunk dialling prefix for STD codes.
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Reply #20 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 7:47pm
 
In that case the instructions in 1995 would have been:

"all geographic numbers except London numbers are changing by adding a 1. London already changed to new codes a few years ago."

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Reply #21 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 8:13pm
 
catj wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 7:47pm:
In that case the instructions in 1995 would have been:

"all geographic numbers except London numbers are changing by adding a 1. London already changed to new codes a few years ago."




... and everybody would have been happy with that!!

There may have one or two people who might have been hoping to be able to change their telephone number databases on a mass basis.

The odd moaner may have asked "why do we have to change our numbers when those in London do not?".

There may have been a few cases where people forgot that London had not changed and mis-dialled.

Some switchboard systems may have implemented a ban on calls to numbers beginning 07 to stop calls to mobiles and cut off Central London as well.

Oftel's attempts to sell stakeholders a new clear national numbering scheme would have been a little undermined by a couple of additional exceptions.

There may have been one or two minor other concerns, but one should not nit-pick.
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Reply #22 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 10:56pm
 
Those concerns would all have been short term, as London would still have needed to move to the 2+8 format, with 020 area code, in 2000 anyway.  It wasn't until 2001 that the last of the mobile and NGN fixes were implemented. In 1995, mobile prefixes were still 0402, 0802, 0973 and many others.


With London missing out the 0171/0181 step, the overall process would have been a lot more clear and easier to explain:

1990: Get London out of 01 ready for the next step. Also gives London a short-term capacity increase.

1995: Get everywhere else into 01. This allows for mobiles, NGN and Premium to each have distinct prefixes later.

2000: Move London to 020 to give the needed long-term London capacity increase.
2001: Fix the mobile, NGN and Premium prefixes as 07, 08 and 09.

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